Seriously, why does Karma's shield have a lower AP ratio than Janna?

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iLive

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07-06-2011

You're only comparing the ratios. What about the base shield, mana cost, duration and cooldown?


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Chicstix

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07-06-2011

First of all, when does any respectable Janna ever get AP? Not that building AP items is wrong on Janna, but usually a person who knows how to play Janna doesn't even touch AP. On the flip side, though, Karma needs to build AP to be effective. Her Heavenly Wave, Spirit Bond, and Soul Shield all get better with AP. Not to mention, her passive is just that: AP, depending on how low her health is.

Karma is more of an AP nuker, a la support. The only buff she actually needs is a change to her Spirit Bond. The Mantra only increases the movement speed/slow to double the effect. It doesn't increase damage, it doesn't stun, nor increase or lower stats.

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You're only comparing the ratios. What about the base shield, mana cost, duration and cooldown?
Yep, not really that much different. Karma vs Janna for shields; cooldown is 2 seconds longer, it costs 10 more mana, it has +40 more to the base affect, and they both last 5 seconds. Then again, when Mantra'd, it's 100% of the shield absorb.


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Zephoid

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07-06-2011

Janna has her shield as her main form of survival. Karma has MUCH better defensive stats and a heal already. Janna has the most avoidable skillshot in the game and a slow that had its damage nerfed to near nothing.

Karma just needs 3 mantras max. That would fix almost ALL of her problems and put her near top teir. Longer CD on Q would help keep her from being OP as it would mean she cant spam heal at a very low cd. You get cdr anyways so it would only hurt her early game a bit.


Janna NEEDS to be buffed back. Remove the slow to her ult (thats what they gave her to placate the 5 back to back nerfs on her) and give her back her 2s knockup and better damage on w. Keep the nerf on her shield if you must, but id rather see a janna every other game than once in 50 games (its been longer than that since ive seen the last one).


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IS1dfa2d97a95933b15dad1

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07-06-2011

"Seriously, why does Karma's shield have a lower AP ratio than Janna?"
One quick answer - her passive. "Karma gains up to 30 / 50 / 70 / 90 / 110 / 130 increased ability power corresponding to her percentage of missing health." That's the free (passive, ensured) ap Janna will never have.


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07-06-2011

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You're only comparing the ratios. What about the base shield, mana cost, duration and cooldown?
They're all the same at same ranks, except that Janna's shield provides AD.


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Naitavi

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07-06-2011

Guys, this thread is not a "Janna OP, Karma UP" thread. It's more about the lacking diversity in Janna's and Karma's shield, which basically do the same thing except for the fact that Janna's shield has a higher AP ratio and bonus AD. There is no reason on earth why Karma's shield would be preferred compared to Janna's if they basically do the same thing. Also, the only "perk" Karma has (due to her lack of ultimate - let's not forget about that) is that her spells have 6 levels. However, the 40 base health difference is easily countered by the fact that a little AP makes Janna's shield not only stronger, but cheaper by 10 mp while giving seriously heavy bonus AD.

This could be remedied not by raising the AP ratios of her shields, (or the AOE damage portion of her Mantra Shield would have to be tweaked) but rather by adding a new, creative mechanic for her shield rather than a measly "absorbing damage" maybe like percentile damage reflection to the attacker? In any case, the current state makes Karma even more useless support than ever.

I love Karma, but Morgana's and Janna's shield just make me wanna cry...


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