Riot is looking to remove Silence from LB

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Derangeddeer

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06-09-2014

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Originally Posted by Meddler View Post
We're removing ranged silences from mobile, high burst assassins specifically at the moment. With characters like Le Blanc that have that ability to combo down a target we'd like the victim to have a bit more of a window to fight back in. Silence removes most of the options from the enemy player once Le Blanc engages and she's able to do so from a reasonable range. On characters with longer time to kill, less mobility or less reliability by contrast silences are less of an issue.

Plan is to then watch how Le Blanc performs after this change, see whether she's still got a spot as a very mobile, single target burst champ, or whether we need to give her some form of compensation for the removed silence.
if leblanc gets that removed silence, does not than mean when she goes in she will have no dueling capacity, because im just thinking of a lux vs leblanc situation, and if silence gets removed then lux will always destroy leblanc, same goes for ryze vs leblanc, ryze will always destroy leblanc, and will lack damage...


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Meddler

Lead Champion Designer

06-09-2014
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So will Talon also be having his silence removed? Or is it not considered ranged?
We don't have any plans at the moment to remove Talon's silence. Not impossible we might do so someday, it does still generate some of the same 'can't fight back against a short damage window champ problems, Talon's got a different assassin kit to Le Blanc though so there's other things to account for (much less powerful disengage, with a need to use a much longer CD to do so properly).


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06-09-2014

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Originally Posted by Meddler View Post
We're removing ranged silences from mobile, high burst assassins specifically at the moment. With characters like Le Blanc that have that ability to combo down a target we'd like the victim to have a bit more of a window to fight back in. Silence removes most of the options from the enemy player once Le Blanc engages and she's able to do so from a reasonable range. On characters with longer time to kill, less mobility or less reliability by contrast silences are less of an issue.

Plan is to then watch how Le Blanc performs after this change, see whether she's still got a spot as a very mobile, single target burst champ, or whether we need to give her some form of compensation for the removed silence.
How about giving a small compensation buff so that she's not 100% unplayable after this change? Because it's extremely obvious that she's not going to be even remotely decent if this change goes through without any form of compensation. She already has nearly the lowest win rate in the game in solo queue/norms at all levels of play, so completely removing the silence without any form of compensation makes zero sense and causes me to question the competency of the balance team. Are you really going to implement this change without a single compensation buff? Like increasing her base stats or something so that she doesn't get one shot the second she dashes in?

I mean, you do realize after this change, LeBlanc vs Fizz or LeBlanc vs Katarina (both matchups that already could go either way if you screw up even a tiny bit as the LeBlanc player) will be completely one sided. Fizz will just mash his keyboard and kill her before she can do any damage to him. He won't even have to try to dodge anything. Katarina will kill her instantly with her ult if she tries to dash in with Distortion. Think about what this change is going to do before you implement it without a single compensation buff. LeBlanc may be strong competitively and I do agree that remove of the silence is healthier for the game, but not giving a compensation buff is a terrible choice. Even just making her farming a tiny bit more efficient or giving her a tiny bit of sustain, or a little shield when she procs her mark (like Kassadin) would help.


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Meddler

Lead Champion Designer

06-09-2014
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This doesn't mean you are going to nerf Ahri again, does it? She's supposed to be a mobile burst assassin (or mobile mage, but not so much since the last nerf) and you can't just remove charm without completely reworking her.
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Charm is a skillshot that can be avoided, not a silence that you really have no way to avoid like LeBlanc or Kassadin. I think Ahri is safe.
SgtCrispy's on the money here, having Charm be a skillshot does a lot for the skill's health. Ahri's also got much bigger windows of downtime when she's not mobile and doesn't burst as fast as Le Blanc tends to, so again not directly comparable.


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Stangel1

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06-09-2014

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Originally Posted by Meddler View Post
We're removing ranged silences from mobile, high burst assassins specifically at the moment. With characters like Le Blanc that have that ability to combo down a target we'd like the victim to have a bit more of a window to fight back in. Silence removes most of the options from the enemy player once Le Blanc engages and she's able to do so from a reasonable range. On characters with longer time to kill, less mobility or less reliability by contrast silences are less of an issue.

Plan is to then watch how Le Blanc performs after this change, see whether she's still got a spot as a very mobile, single target burst champ, or whether we need to give her some form of compensation for the removed silence.
So she currently sits at 44% winrate in soloqueue, why wouldn't you plan to give her compensation already?


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Cirno Strongest

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06-09-2014

Good riddance.


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Bungboy

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06-09-2014

For compensation, just give her some health sustain or a damage absorbing shield when procing Q, or mana refund when she last hits a creep with Q, or something. Really anything. She needs some sort of way to trade in lane or she'll be 100-0ed even if she perfectly executes her combo.


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A Lvl 1 Rattata

Junior Member

06-09-2014

removing the silence is not a great idea (though Riot is going to do it anyways and is just thinking of other ways to compensate) what can I say >o< I would so prefer keeping the silence, or at most nerfing the duration. but since that's not gonna happen as Meddler said silence on ranged champs is op, she DEFINITELY needs sth to compensate. I mean she can't do much to trigger the Q mark to harrass anymore as chances are she will get beated up. Say ryze can snare her before she can return and combo 999 abilities to her squashiest face; lux can bind her in the place and zone her after that... it just opens too much for the opponents to harrass her afterwards and she lacks natural sustain. since riot is not letting her keep the silence I hope she has AT LEAST a shield or sth to compensate. Otherwise LB will take too much risk and fall off even more easily. even now with the silence LBs still make lots of mistakes and get capitalize on and thus the high losing rate. If riot IS TO remove her silence, plz DO give her sth to compensate, otherwise kass would have outclassed her in most(though not all) aspects.


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A Lvl 1 Rattata

Junior Member

06-09-2014

maybe make it so that detonating the sigil reduces the damage take by LB from that target?

what about reworking the passive too? like adding more gameplays to it, say like mimicing all spells LB casts but those cast by clone deal no damage and apply no actual CC nor damage(but the visual effect stays)

just some wild ideas lol


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06-09-2014

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