Skarner Rework Follow Through

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MajorPain9

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03-23-2014

Scruffy is posting. Here is hoping we get some type of feedback this week.


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AbamaStank

Senior Member

03-23-2014

Skarner, I miss your kind...


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Slimm Shaney

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03-23-2014

skarner, I love your kind.
please keep giving him minor buffs, I was playing him extensively anyway. he's fun.


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Krshna

Senior Member

03-23-2014

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Originally Posted by RiotScruffy View Post
Most of the changes have been targeted at making E more powerful/consistent because the bulk of the feedback was asking for better CC/stickiness. These changes are meant to directly go in the direction that Skarner players are asking for.

Rengar is in a more internal development phase and so you will see a lot more things changing around as we try and test options. He also needed more changes in general. We try to not change things if we don't have to on existing characters. This is why you didn't see bigger changes to Skarner's abilities or crazy new things like burrowing etc (that type of stuff can go on new characters).

We absolutely support adding some power (in the ways many players are asking for) for Skarner because he was weak on release, but some things like permaslow and snowball reliance are not coming back.
Can we all just agree to mass boycott whatever Scruffy's next project is? Not just to be rude, but it's in the best interest of whatever champion he's about to dismantle in the name of "counterplay".


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Coldmanj

Senior Member

03-23-2014

still wish we could get a real discussion with scruffy started with regard to e's mechanics and what his line of thought is. Is he even testing some different iterations still or has he given up on skarner and decided to leave him a heap of confusion...


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CamoClad

Senior Member

03-23-2014

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Reworks (Rengar) aren't intended to just buff characters. I think Kassadin's is a good model (and the best learning from what's wrong on Skarner), though. It should communicate why you should be excited about playing the champion, and the current one might not be there yet. Though we're not looking to just buff his existing pattern.
Wait, is Morello trying to say that perhaps Riot made a mistake or two on the Skarner rework and that they are using it as a learning experience so as not to make those same mistakes again? Hmmmm, perhaps progress is being made in this thread :-)If so I say well played Morello.


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RiotScruffy

Game Designer

03-23-2014
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Originally Posted by CamoClad View Post
Wait, is Morello trying to say that perhaps Riot made a mistake or two on the Skarner rework and that they are using it as a learning experience so as not to make those same mistakes again? Hmmmm, perhaps progress is being made in this thread :-)If so I say well played Morello.
To speak to what we have learned from the work so far on Skarner, we targeted making changes that would positively affect the gameplay and interactions on the character but didn't go far enough on improving him in ways that make him an exciting and unique character. We tried to keep the scope of the changes smaller to preserve as much of Skarner's current gameplay as we could but we think that in the end he will need some more upgrades to be a character that we can all be excited about.

In the present and immediate future, we will keep balancing Skarner and make sure he's a viable pick. You should definitely expect to be able to play Skarner and be successful. In the long term Skarner could go for some changes that bring some more excitement and uniqueness to his kit.


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vamp13

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03-23-2014

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Originally Posted by RiotScruffy View Post
To speak to what we have learned from the work so far on Skarner, we targeted making changes that would positively affect the gameplay and interactions on the character but didn't go far enough on improving him in ways that make him an exciting and unique character. We tried to keep the scope of the changes smaller to preserve as much of Skarner's current gameplay as we could but we think that in the end he will need some more upgrades to be a character that we can all be excited about.

In the present and immediate future, we will keep balancing Skarner and make sure he's a viable pick. You should definitely expect to be able to play Skarner and be successful. In the long term Skarner could go for some changes that bring some more excitement and uniqueness to his kit.
i feel the issue is this:

skarner was a champion that was functional with 3 skills and 1 permaslow.

you then forced him to use the 4th skill, and took away his permaslow.

that is a double nerf. now he has to use 4 spells (which is a nerf, from 3 before) and does not have a permaslow anymore.


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Talohmiir

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03-23-2014

There, Scruffy came and commented on Skarner, now please keep your Skarner comments on this thread rather than making one, every other comment, in Rengar's thread. Thanks.


Downvotes incoming.


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lightingsky

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03-23-2014

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Originally Posted by RiotScruffy View Post
To speak to what we have learned from the work so far on Skarner, we targeted making changes that would positively affect the gameplay and interactions on the character but didn't go far enough on improving him in ways that make him an exciting and unique character. We tried to keep the scope of the changes smaller to preserve as much of Skarner's current gameplay as we could but we think that in the end he will need some more upgrades to be a character that we can all be excited about.

In the present and immediate future, we will keep balancing Skarner and make sure he's a viable pick. You should definitely expect to be able to play Skarner and be successful. In the long term Skarner could go for some changes that bring some more excitement and uniqueness to his kit.
OH! Finally you admitted this rework is a horrible failure, I'm excited already.