On MMR Boosting and the 2014 Season

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HarrisonOwns

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01-14-2014

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Originally Posted by Westfuh View Post
You really need to put a restriction on players duoing that are 2 tiers different from each other.

Edit: I'm pretty sure if I got a bunch of Diamond players to duo-Q with Bronze-Silver players and carry them to divisions they didn't belong to, you guys would start looking into it.
This.


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Banuvan

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01-14-2014

It already happens. Quite often actually.


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Riot Rhojin

Player Behavior Specialist

01-14-2014
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Originally Posted by Neo Cyrus View Post
As requested previously, a report option for Elo Boosting would make it much more convenient than sending in manual reports. Any chance of that being implemented?{
At this time the in game report system gathers reports from the Tribunal, since the tribunal does not handle MMR Boosting investigations or bans, adding a report option would be counter productive.

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This is perhaps the most important thing that needs to be addressed. Having a Plat player duo'd with a Bronze 5 on my team is absolutely maddening. Inversely sometimes it'll be a low MMR Gold duo'd with a Diamond with no one on the opposing team really compensating for that. Match making does not handle this well at all.

Players from different leagues should not be able to duo if it's many divisions apart. A Bronze player shouldn't even be allowed in a mid Silver game as ridiculous as that sounds. The gap in common sense is too much and it enrages the team. The most toxic games I've been in have been those of someone low MMR duo'd with a high MMR one especially considering they rarely lane together.
Referring to my post a couple pages back, our matchmaking system takes both your rankings into consideration and the larger the difference in skill, the more weighted a match can become(it's not completely stacked, but it does take this into consideration). So queuing with someone close to you in skill and rank almost always ensures a more fair and even match.

Our matchmaking team is always working on making changes to help balance games. Unfortunately, since I'm not on the matchmaking team I'm unable to discuss any potential changes or ideas pertaining to the duo queue feature.


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Banuvan

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01-14-2014

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Originally Posted by Riot Rhojin View Post
At this time the in game report system gathers reports from the Tribunal, since the tribunal does not handle MMR Boosting investigations or bans, adding a report option would be counter productive.



Referring to my post a couple pages back, our matchmaking system takes both your rankings into consideration and the larger the difference in skill, the more weighted a match can become(it's not completely stacked, but it does take this into consideration). So queuing with someone close to you in skill and rank almost always ensures a more fair and even match.

Our matchmaking team is always working on making changes to help balance games. Unfortunately, since I'm not on the matchmaking team I'm unable to discuss any potential changes or ideas pertaining to the duo queue feature.
That's just it Rhojin. Nobody from the matchmaking team will listen. The matchmaking system takes the two MMR's and averages them and puts them with the average. How is a plat player in a low silver game fair? How is a plat player in a bronze game fair? That happens all the time.

The problem I have is that duo queue is a form of ELO boosting. Can you honestly say that a plat player is playing at the silver level for fun with their bronze friend? Hell no they aren't. They are boosting their friend. You are banning people for MMR boosting. They are MMR boosting. The end result is the same.

I get that you have no control over matchmaking so lets talk MMR boosting. How about you look into the duo queues of anybody that is gold or higher who duo's with somebody who is bronze/silver and see how fast their MMR rises. Is that not MMR boosting? Then compare that data to how many people that are artifically elevated have their MMR drop drastically after they stop duoing with their buddy who just boosted them.

I think the results will be fairly interesting.


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Not Commando Yi

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01-14-2014

So does this mean you've closed Gem/Pikachu's account?

no of course not


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Chiquihuite

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01-14-2014

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Originally Posted by Riot Rhojin View Post
Referring to my post a couple pages back, our matchmaking system takes both your rankings into consideration and the larger the difference in skill, the more weighted a match can become(it's not completely stacked, but it does take this into consideration).
That all sounds really good, until you consider that there are 8 other people in the game who didn't ask to be put in an extremely "weighted" match. It's a terribly degenerate experience for them.

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Unfortunately, since I'm not on the matchmaking team I'm unable to discuss any potential changes or ideas pertaining to the duo queue feature.
I can appreciate that. Any chance you could ask someone who is on the matchmaking team to stop by this thread and respond, or create a new thread to talk about it?


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Banuvan

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01-14-2014

Bump


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CallMeBlitzkrieg

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01-14-2014

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Originally Posted by Riot Rhojin View Post
At this time the in game report system gathers reports from the Tribunal, since the tribunal does not handle MMR Boosting investigations or bans, adding a report option would be counter productive.



Referring to my post a couple pages back, our matchmaking system takes both your rankings into consideration and the larger the difference in skill, the more weighted a match can become(it's not completely stacked, but it does take this into consideration). So queuing with someone close to you in skill and rank almost always ensures a more fair and even match.

Our matchmaking team is always working on making changes to help balance games. Unfortunately, since I'm not on the matchmaking team I'm unable to discuss any potential changes or ideas pertaining to the duo queue feature.
OK, but what if I'm one of the three unfortunate ones who just happen to get a 'not completely stacked' game?


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Neo Cyrus

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01-14-2014

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Originally Posted by Riot Rhojin View Post
At this time the in game report system gathers reports from the Tribunal, since the tribunal does not handle MMR Boosting investigations or bans, adding a report option would be counter productive.



Referring to my post a couple pages back, our matchmaking system takes both your rankings into consideration and the larger the difference in skill, the more weighted a match can become(it's not completely stacked, but it does take this into consideration). So queuing with someone close to you in skill and rank almost always ensures a more fair and even match.

Our matchmaking team is always working on making changes to help balance games. Unfortunately, since I'm not on the matchmaking team I'm unable to discuss any potential changes or ideas pertaining to the duo queue feature.
I hope you can at least let the team in charge of matchmaking balance know that one of the biggest flaws is randomly throwing in unranked players into mid Elo games. No amount of "taking rankings into consideration" justifies a completely new player being thrown into a 1600 Elo game, realistically it just doesn't compensate for a player worse than low Bronze.

Every single one of those games I've experienced have been one sided annihilation. A first time player doing his first placement games shouldn't be in a Gold+ level game, most of them would not be able to even handle a low Silver game.

Yes I had this happen to me repeatedly and with one occasion being during my Gold placements. Every instance this person was last pick and the bottom lane ended up dying repeatedly losing their tower literally under 5 minutes. And yes these were not duo'd players, they were alone.

Anyway, thanks for your time.


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RighteousFreed

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01-14-2014

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If you mean in the instance of a player sharing their main account with a third party and then jumping into a duo with them using their smurf account, then yes this would be a form of MMR Boosting. The third party playing on the main account is not only helping the account owner raise the MMR of the main account but the MMR of the account owner's smurf account.
Lets say player A is plat 3, Player B is Diamond 1. {Player B creates a smurf and then uses it to help player A get to diamond.