Ryze Winrate Really Low

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Dryad Soraka

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12-06-2013

"he has a terrible winrate BUT IT'S TOTALLY NOT FROM BEING OVERNERFED LOL" -phreak (who for some reason comments on balance when he has nothing to do with it)


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Henry Plainview

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12-06-2013

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Originally Posted by ValderiusRex View Post
Apparently Ryze, the champion with 0 skill shots, miniscule cool downs, limitless mana by virtue of tear, and an optimal attack rotation of "PUSH ALL THE BUTTONS!" is mechanically complex.

I am genuinely suprised by that one, Phreak.
I wouldn't say mechanically complex, but Ryze has always been difficult to play well because you have to survive his weak early game and position properly.


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Knight Auditor

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12-06-2013

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"he has a terrible winrate BUT IT'S TOTALLY NOT FROM BEING OVERNERFED LOL" -phreak (who for some reason comments on balance when he has nothing to do with it)
That's pretty moronic of you to say. When were you planning on telling us that you're on the balance team?


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Woodja

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12-06-2013

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Yea the season 4 changes didn't really benefit him, and there is no Mana item that gives MR anymore
Chalice?


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Veracious Embers

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12-06-2013

play him support, buy tear, fed? do mage things, not fed? do support things.

super spammable CC, minor mana issues early, gets Frozen Heart, gets tanky, go from there. Fun stuff with all the gold.


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Shoukansha Ichi

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12-06-2013

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Originally Posted by ValderiusRex View Post
Apparently Ryze, the champion with 0 skill shots, miniscule cool downs, limitless mana by virtue of tear, and an optimal attack rotation of "PUSH ALL THE BUTTONS!" is mechanically complex.

I am genuinely suprised by that one, Phreak.
It's pretty easy to learn how to do his combo's and such, but doing them with the proper execution is harder then people give.

Like the guy who said you start with Q. Sure. That's pretty easy to understand. But alot of people don't know to activate R second since the effect will still apply. A bunch of little things that make Ryze hard.


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Blackmailed Hobo

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12-06-2013

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He lost his banshee with all that mana
Second this.


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Rivini

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12-06-2013

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Chalice?
Mana, not mana regen.


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ValderiusRex

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12-06-2013

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I wouldn't say mechanically complex, but Ryze has always been difficult to play well because you have to survive his weak early game and position properly.
By that logic, every Marksman with the exception of Caitlyn should be nigh unplayable at bronze because they require positional knowledge.

Every champion requires positional knowledge to some extent, that isn't what mechanical complexity means. Jayce is mechanically complex as you're managing 7 cool downs instead of 4. Rumble is mechanically complex because his heat resource requires a lot of effort to optimize. Xerath is mechanically complex because his spells have variable ranges are require precise skill shot aiming.

Ryze is a a point-and-click button mashing damage dealer. There is no mechanical complexity to Ryze.


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Rivini

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12-06-2013

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Originally Posted by Dryad Soraka View Post
"he has a terrible winrate BUT IT'S TOTALLY NOT FROM BEING OVERNERFED LOL" -phreak (who for some reason comments on balance when he has nothing to do with it)
Classic GD:

"Only diamond+ players should be allowed to comment on balance!"

*Challenger player comments on balance*

"You're not on the balance team! Stahp!"