Tips on facing Swain?

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Mythos of Astora

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11-26-2013

Pretty much I always have a hard time with him. It seems like he's pretty much unkillable post6 but before then he's easy. To me it seems like the only way is to poke him and force the r and drain him of mana, but that doesn't work unless by some miracle he never gets blue.




What would a Swain main do to win lane against him with a traditional mid?





Note: I actually haven't played against with a mid in a while, but i played a j4 mid (don't judge) recently and got **** on. I realized I don't know how to beat him.


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tastethefeet

Senior Member

11-26-2013

ignite


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Wezz

Senior Member

11-26-2013

Have your mid get morello's

Silence or other hard CC him when his ult isn't toggled

oh hi eliv


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Ask Tyrant Swain

Member

11-26-2013

MR and burst.
Beat him pre6.
Past 6, don't let him heal off minions. More burst.
Don't get close to be hit by EQ.
If he EQs you tho, and tries to use W, EQ him. Or run. RUN LIKE THE WIND!


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Eliv

Player Support Tech Specialist

11-26-2013
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Have your mid get morello's

Silence or other hard CC him when his ult isn't toggled
Morello's and/or Ignite, perfect for stopping him.


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Kr1sys

Senior Member

11-26-2013

ignite, have aps buy nomnomnomnomicon


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onboardtonowhere

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11-26-2013

make him go oom.


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The Legend Of

Senior Member

11-26-2013

cry.

Realistically though, what you need to do is be able to burst him. Few different ways to do that, either a- play a superhigh burst champion like annie who in a rotation can kill him full to dead if hes not 100%.
b- bait him to toggle on his ult while having your jungler wait, then once he toggles it off you can generally gib him pretty easily.
c- its not really "beating" him so much as making him useless, if you pick a hard shover champion like malzahar, morgana, cho etc, who can shove him under tower. His ability to last hit under tower is one of the worst in the game, as his auto animation is slow/horrendus, and he has no abilities other then his Q to even remotely help in last hitting.
d- champions with shields/heals troll swain incredibly hard. Almost all of his damage is dot based, and you can block the majority of it in a fight with something such as lux, morgana, diana(need to put 2-3 points in shield inlane before maxing Q)


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OsirisLoL

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11-26-2013

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Originally Posted by Mythos of Astora View Post
Pretty much I always have a hard time with him. It seems like he's pretty much unkillable post6 but before then he's easy. To me it seems like the only way is to poke him and force the r and drain him of mana, but that doesn't work unless by some miracle he never gets blue.




What would a Swain main do to win lane against him with a traditional mid?





Note: I actually haven't played against with a mid in a while, but i played a j4 mid (don't judge) recently and got **** on. I realized I don't know how to beat him.

Swain can snowball games extremely early, your best to take ignite when fighting him this reduces his healing by 50% causing his ult not to be as effective. When laning against him, try to avoid his nevermove, this is swains stun he roots you in place for 2 seconds however it can be dodged since it doesn't stun you right away. When swain is out of mana push your lane since he can't do much without his ult, take a champion that counters him such as fizz, cass, or leblanc. If you got countered by a swain your best to play your lane passive and coordinate with your jungler to set him up for a gank.


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Panwar

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11-26-2013

Part of it was the J4 pick. With Swain's ability to kite, and the fact that you play into his hands by being close, makes him strong against bruisers. Especially ones like j4 that are not really high damage.