I believe I will be taking an extended break from the current game.

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Twentington

Senior Member

11-24-2013

While my opinion probably matters less since I didn't make it to platinum last season, as a support main I'll say that I agree with the OP. The vision changes plus the scaling changes have drained the support role of its most core identities: an early game lane bully and a steward that led the way for its team in the vision battle. However, on a side note, I'm glad oracles is gone (not necessarily in the context of this patch), it was pretty toxic in season 3 imo with no real counterplay.


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Morior Invictis

Senior Member

11-24-2013

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Originally Posted by scrimbul View Post
No, vision has now become what supports spamming heals were two seasons ago, and you know this on a basic level but are arguing it in a panic trying to keep supports 'relevant' without giving the position time to evolve.

I remember enough seasons back to understand the logic behind the evolutions up to this point, and the only way to go now is forward. Supports will swing back to an active role in combat and less of the asinine oracles ward hunts that completely shut down anyone from entering a given area of the map if they were behind.

Vision has become what sustain used to be and it's pretty wholly toxic. The totems are a perfectly fair moderation of every problem with vision the past 3 seasons, you need to ward only the spots that you NEED vision of, you don't get to gank someone at top lane from bot by spamming speed boosts across the map purely because you're winning and need to shut down counterplays. That's not 'clever' that's a 'lol eff you for any sort of effort'

You CANNOT evaluate the current state of the game, even at platinum, with the presence of the targon item at this time. It needs to be brought back in line with it's gold costs or removed entirely until it can be reintroduced. You would have an entirely different pre-season without that one item, one in which junglers were still almost mandatory and supports were still important early game.
I fail to see your point. Supports were never intended to scale with damage. Sona is clearly not designed to nuke a team. Her kit is designed to SUPPORT through auras and utility.

Is Sona useless in a teamfight without items? Absolutely not! Crescendo is one of the best ultimates in the game and I LOVED having Sona on my team. So why does Riot feel the need to change supports and give them gold all the sudden? First they nerf us all to hell and expect us to build 200 AP just to BREAK EVEN WITH THE NERFS.

What if I don't want to build AP? I enjoyed building utility. Boots, sighstone, a slot for greens, a slot for pinks. Left me two slots for an item like Shurelyias and Locket.

What was so wrong with that build?

I don't want a full AP carry build, that's not what the dream of a support is.

Riot thinks supports want a ton of items, that just isn't true.


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Hyde from Darius

Senior Member

11-24-2013

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Originally Posted by Snufoo View Post
as a support main, the changes were awesome. I love not being a cc and ward ***** anymore, not dying if someone stared at me funny, and actually being able to build items and through my actions (not the amount of wards I can buy and put around the map zzzzzz) being able to carry the team. I seriously do not understand why ANYONE in their right minds would want to go back to season 3 supporting, you were literally the team slave.
That's what every bronze support player ever says.

Supporting is dead, now you have 2 carries bot.


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Infinite Veritas

Player Support Specialist

11-24-2013
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I will place here what I had sent to Morello in a thread that he had created some time ago if that is okay.
Reposts are totally cool. I was more concerned that you hadn't expressed your feedback before and I'm glad to see you did.

Feedback is very critical during these chaotic pre-season changes and not only from Plat players but from players of every division. It's awesome to see others expressing feedback, as well. As a member of Player Support, I think it's important to also think about the holistic experiences we all have and to share them with each other. In particular, the struggles, disappointment or frustrations we may have with these shifts and then the success, joy and excitement with these new changes.

That's a tad bit long-winded. But I think my point is to share that feedback. Share criticism, share frustrations, but let's always be positive, let's always focus on the cool and good stuff and teach each other how to be more awesome at the game! I hope that makes sense and hope to see you in-game again when you feel like you can achieve that joy you are familiar with.


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Luna Wolf

Senior Member

11-24-2013

Day 3 after the patch and I still have yet to see a traditional support down bot. Just Annie's, Fiddle's, and god Anivia's too. I feel like Riot gave the support role more gold but then shoved the traditional supports out with the scaling changes and made it necessary to have a mage instead...


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TheOddPwny

Senior Member

11-24-2013

From a diamond players perspective (ADC MAIN) I am switching to jungle simply because the changes to bot are dumb. When I go bot, I expect to have a 2v2, to have to farm, to have to play with my support in order to win, now, there are no supports, there nukers like annie leblanc fiddle veigar bot lanes that are destroying everyone. Why go a tanky leona or taric when you can go leblanc and nuke a person... The support role was actually eliminated in this patch.

Prior to the patch, i had goals on CSing like 100 by 10 minutes, this is now eliminated. With the double shield strat people are getting 50/60 cs at 10 mins but coming out with bf sword.

This patch had so many unintended consequences its sickening, supports as a whole fell out of the meta, the only good "top tier" supports i see in my diamond 1/2 games are Annie, Zyra, Leblanc, Fiddle, and the occasional thresh.

Bot lane was ruined this patch, jungle was also ruined, I say riot just scrap s4 as a whole and re do season 3, that would please 95% of the competitive community.

ALSO BEFORE YOU TELL ME TO ADAPT, I HAVE ADAPTED.

TLDR : If riot wants to make this like a sport (ESPORT) AKA competitive play SHOULDNT change this much in such little time. There is a meta for a reason, people don't send 5 people to short stop in baseball, it doesnt work like that, with theese new 2-1-2 strategies SO many champs are left out of the meta


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scrimbul

Senior Member

11-24-2013

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Originally Posted by Morior Invictis View Post

I don't want a full AP carry build, that's not what the dream of a support is.

Riot thinks supports want a ton of items, that just isn't true.
Your problem is that Riot didn't get more creative in adding more support item actives to choose from, I get that. (it would address the scaling issues that you are complaining about as well as add counterplay to enemy support investments, no counterplay to shurelyas, twin shadows, locket etc.)

That does not mean that they should revert to the vision wars, which quite frankly as a non-support were, on top of over the top jungler clear times, just as frustrating to deal with as endless lane sustain or push/poke comps of season 1 where Janna and Heimerdinger were king and queen.


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tripleamp

Senior Member

11-24-2013

agreed, break time.


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PoisonedTea

Senior Member

11-24-2013

I am not going to say these changes are awesome. I don't feel they are.

But I see the challenge as fun.

I agree I feel the support role lost some of it identity. I miss my excessive wards and making my team secure.

The best part of the support role is team fights and that's not changed. But I do miss the risk reward play of getting the wards just where I want them. Now having my team ward other then just me is nice.


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Mynt

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Senior Member

11-24-2013

This patch less so modified support.

It more so killed that role, with all the alacrity of a drunken uncle, and ushered in an entirely new role. Some of which, but not all can be played with the old support characters.