There is no counter to silver bolts

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Mogs01gt

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10-30-2013

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Originally Posted by Kyuubey View Post
It would take 39 consecutive hits for the silver bolts alone to kill a target.
Its not silver bolts buy itself, its the effect they have when you look at DPS numbers. Also not being targetable is a factor.


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Splendid Cake

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10-30-2013

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Originally Posted by Phreak View Post
It's worth pointing out that only about 20% of Vayne's damage to champions is coming from Silver Bolts. Armor/health/etc is still largely effective against Vayne's damage output.

Also, some of the most common anti-AD items are effective against Silver Bolts. Exhaust, Randuin's Omen, and Frozen Heart all slow attack speed, reducing the damage of Silver Bolts.

There's also in-battle counterplay. Vayne has to hit a target three times in a row in order to get the reward. If you and a friend fight her together and you can dance in and out of range/vision to make her switch targets, you greatly drop her damage output.
K but even you have to admit Vayne is a bit ridiculous right now. At level 6 she just gets to all in her lane opponents for free, regardless of the matchup, and she snowballs ridiculously hard from there. Then she just builds Bork, stacks AS without needing to build damage, and suddenly even the tankiest tank can't keep up to buy enough defense to survive. And then Q spam, stealth, self peel, lifesteal, and barrier make her infuriatingly difficult to kill. Doesn't even matter if you get a good catch on her, she's so stupidly difficult to punish.


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OctaSteve

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10-30-2013

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Originally Posted by Gonsea View Post
Exhause?
Raduin?
Death?

Aiming tank, then QQ about carry damage?

AND for you geniuses, Vayne's W deal additional 60 + 8% MAXIMUM HP.
By the time RO/FH is acquired, she's outclassed the WM with her items.

%Max HP True Damage is ridiculous, especially with reasoning behind other nerfs. Making it % current would still keep the tankbuster (Mundo Man Tears).


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KSHarrison

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10-30-2013

You can make the same argument that armor doesn't counter physical damage. You can stack as much armor as you want, but you never get rid of the physical damage -- it eventually kills you.

The real question is: Can you increase survivability vs any form of damage? The answer is yes. Stacking health will make you survive longer against ANY form of damage. Silver bolts will take longer to kill you if you have more health. You CAN itemize against it, just like any form of damage. It requires a different perspective than is intuitive for some people. Try this:

Another way to look at it is: Armor increases your effective health; therefore, armor stacking is just another way to say you are stacking health, but from this point of view, it is not reducing the physical damage dealt. It functions just like health stacking vs. True damage.


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hashinshin

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10-30-2013

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Originally Posted by Phreak View Post
It's worth pointing out that only about 20% of Vayne's damage to champions is coming from Silver Bolts. Armor/health/etc is still largely effective against Vayne's damage output.

Also, some of the most common anti-AD items are effective against Silver Bolts. Exhaust, Randuin's Omen, and Frozen Heart all slow attack speed, reducing the damage of Silver Bolts.

There's also in-battle counterplay. Vayne has to hit a target three times in a row in order to get the reward. If you and a friend fight her together and you can dance in and out of range/vision to make her switch targets, you greatly drop her damage output.
This all makes sense.

Until you realize Vayne players are building BotRK in to PD in to LW just to maximize on how absurdly large her base damage is.

Why is a hypercarry so good early game, and why does a Hypercarry get a free "oops" abilty in silver bolts to still be crazy effective even if she got shut down? Might as well Change nasus's ultimate to true damage and let him max it at level 13 so he can never actually be left out of the game.

if I'm playing Kha'zix or Akali and I get shut down I tend to stay shut down. I don't get a free oops ability to make up for it and still remain useful.


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Most of the people on this board don't understand the concepts of teamwork and are in the mindset of "I'm going to run headfirst at everything and if it kills me then its OP"
Sounds like a Vayne player's mentality. Who could blame them when they have so much self peel?


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o Invis o

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10-30-2013

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Bot lane champs arent exactly stacking those resistances. Vayne isnt only deadly to tanks....As an example, Grave's passive means nothing to Vayne..

Shields are effective against Vayne but we already know the issues with shields in this game.
And how much damage will Silver Bolts deal to these squishy targets that don't build health?


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MaitreJoris

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Originally Posted by Phreak View Post
It's worth pointing out that only about 20% of Vayne's damage to champions is coming from Silver Bolts. Armor/health/etc is still largely effective against Vayne's damage output.

There's also in-battle counterplay. Vayne has to hit a target three times in a row in order to get the reward. If you and a friend fight her together and you can dance in and out of range/vision to make her switch targets, you greatly drop her damage output.

"Oh hey guise, it's worth nothing that Vayne only has to deal 80% of the usual ADC damage because she gets 20% from Silverbolt anyway."

"Also btw guise, you can counter her. Just omfg nextl evel brush juke and hope the Vayne sucks at focusing a single target so she will never get her silverbolt proc'd!."

Phreak's counter to Vayne bolt feels a lot similiar to the Triangle Attack Fiora vs Jax.


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Drukyul

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10-30-2013

increase the rate that your HP goes up while decreasing the rate that silver bolts will hit you

so CDR on your healers, hp regen (moar pots!), and attack speed slows


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Phreak

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10-30-2013
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Originally Posted by Mogs01gt View Post
Bot lane champs arent exactly stacking those resistances. Vayne isnt only deadly to tanks....As an example, Grave's passive means nothing to Vayne..

Shields are effective against Vayne but we already know the issues with shields in this game.
Graves's passive still means about 80% to Vayne. Probably more actually, since Silver Bolts will be at level 1 for most of the laning phase. Silver Bolts deals 20 damage + 4% of a target's max health at level 1. For a ~800 HP champion, that's 52 damage. Caitlyn's Headshot deals more damage than that.
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Dance around Vayne? Doesn't she have her passive, level up Condemn, Tumble, and Final Hour? Did she decide to not buy a BotRK for some reason?
Yes, Vayne is good at sticking to an individual target, but not every battle happens in the middle of the lane with nothing around. Try jumping into brush, rooting her in place, or walking out of range. Even if she does reach you eventually, Silver Bolts can still fall off. Is the Vayne really going to sit there chasing the Zyra who has 2 Silver Bolt stacks on her, waiting out the 1.75 second root while a Renekton is hitting her? Or is she going to turn, Condemn him into the wall, and keep going from there?