So the new Sweeper trinket is going to bone Shaco?

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Professor LOL

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10-24-2013

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some things to think about guys.

1. we dont know if the sweeper is a ward,if it is just like the eye item, or the lantern item on ARAM. it could just reveal stuff for a short time. either way, the enemy champ needs to know when to use it to successfully counter shaco/akali/twitch/talon

2. we don't know if we will be able to see the trinkets certain enemy champs have decided to take once they reveal themselves like with current items. maybe we will be able to see if top lane got a sweeper and plan our strategies accordingly.

3. it has the ability to be upgraded at lvl 9 to see champs. as of right now, i dont think it gives vision of stealth champs. Shaco relies on heavy early game ganks anyways...which is over by lvl 9ish already

4. we have also been told the jungle is being changed to support not just melee bruiser type junglers but also carry style junglers. we dont know how this will change shaco's jungling. maybe he'll be better at farming...somehow haha
These points don't really get at the main issue, which is that the new trinkets are an ability disable against shaco. Normally, to gank, you would stealth in, plant a box(which unstealths you), backstab, and try to tie them up long enough for the box fear to catch them, or they try to run around where they saw the box go down. Now, they can just disable the box and run past it, and Shaco has no way to finish up the kill since his CC is gone, his damage is reduced, he has no more gap-closers, and his burst is quite low.


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de Dust

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10-24-2013

You know, you could always start somewhere else and make them blow their cooldown on an empty camp at a small cost of clear time



just saying


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Meddler

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10-24-2013
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The Sweeper Trinket reveal is centered on the user, with a small radius at level one. If you know where the Jack in the Boxes are placed you might be able to reveal and kill them before the trigger, would be easy to get too close and trigger the boxes though. On top of that you're also giving up your Trinket cooldown for a while, so it's not a play without any cost even if you're successful.


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jerradwolf

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10-24-2013

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These points don't really get at the main issue, which is that the new trinkets are an ability disable against shaco. Normally, to gank, you would stealth in, plant a box(which unstealths you), backstab, and try to tie them up long enough for the box fear to catch them, or they try to run around where they saw the box go down. Now, they can just disable the box and run past it, and Shaco has no way to finish up the kill since his CC is gone, his damage is reduced, he has no more gap-closers, and his burst is quite low.
i think that people are just making assumptions as to how these trinkets will change their champs without knowing how the trinkets actually work yet. my post is mostly just saying we are still unsure about how this will change his gameplay because we dont know much about the new items/trinket system that riot is putting in place. maybe farming the jungle will be more of a strategy on shaco after the changes to that. maybe look for a lane that doesnt have a sweeper. maybe wait till the sweeper is on CD. there are alternatives and still unknown qualities about his gameplay for S4


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jerradwolf

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10-24-2013

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The Sweeper Trinket reveal is centered on the user, with a small radius at level one. If you know where the Jack in the Boxes are placed you might be able to reveal and kill them before the trigger, would be easy to get too close and trigger the boxes though. On top of that you're also giving up your Trinket cooldown for a while, so it's not a play without any cost even if you're successful.
thats what i was trying to say. knowing that, you just have to change your strategy to gank when sweeper is on cd. riot said their intentions with the trinkets werent to devalue any stealth champ out right now.


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MCMancub

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10-24-2013

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The Sweeper Trinket reveal is centered on the user, with a small radius at level one. If you know where the Jack in the Boxes are placed you might be able to reveal and kill them before the trigger, would be easy to get too close and trigger the boxes though. On top of that you're also giving up your Trinket cooldown for a while, so it's not a play without any cost even if you're successful.
Quote because I love the fact that reds are actually responding to player concern. Have my +1.


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True Sketch

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10-24-2013

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The Sweeper Trinket reveal is centered on the user, with a small radius at level one. If you know where the Jack in the Boxes are placed you might be able to reveal and kill them before the trigger, would be easy to get too close and trigger the boxes though. On top of that you're also giving up your Trinket cooldown for a while, so it's not a play without any cost even if you're successful.
What about the situation where Shaco is using his Jitbs in a duel with the jungler? (or anyone else for that matter) They could simply activate their trinket when Shaco puts his Jitb down and ignore it for 5 seconds. Or better yet activating their trinket when it pops negating the entire damage rotation and letting it die because its life span is 5 seconds anyway.

His invading and dueling potential goes WAY down because he can't fight junglers who have the red trinket. Suddenly, Shaco is not the early game powerhouse he is meant to be and he has nothing else to offer his team. The Jitb is a HUGE part of his early game threat and it is being nullified by a free trinket you get at level 1.

I'm not happy about this so far.

Edit: Downvotes for facts, stay classy GD.


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mythrilpanties

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10-24-2013

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The Sweeper Trinket reveal is centered on the user, with a small radius at level one. If you know where the Jack in the Boxes are placed you might be able to reveal and kill them before the trigger, would be easy to get too close and trigger the boxes though. On top of that you're also giving up your Trinket cooldown for a while, so it's not a play without any cost even if you're successful.
ah, i thought it was like CV, maybe i had it confused with the other trinket


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Fife18

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10-24-2013

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What about the situation where Shaco is using his Jitbs in a duel with the jungler? (or anyone else for that matter) They could simply activate their trinket when Shaco puts his Jitb down and ignore it for 5 seconds. Or better yet activating their trinket when it pops negating the entire damage rotation and letting it die because its life span is 5 seconds anyway.

His invading and dueling potential goes WAY down because he can't fight junglers who have the red trinket. Suddenly, Shaco is not the early game powerhouse he is meant to be and he has nothing else to offer his team. The Jitb is a HUGE part of his early game threat and it is being nullified by a free trinket you get at level 1.

I'm not happy about this so far.
Wait.. the sweeper just reveals it, doesn't it? How is this ruining his dueling potential?

Edit: Nvm "Reveals and disables nearby invisible units (including Wards) for a short time"


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Kr1sys

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10-24-2013

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The Sweeper Trinket reveal is centered on the user, with a small radius at level one. If you know where the Jack in the Boxes are placed you might be able to reveal and kill them before the trigger, would be easy to get too close and trigger the boxes though. On top of that you're also giving up your Trinket cooldown for a while, so it's not a play without any cost even if you're successful.
hey Meddler, thanks for clarifying. If you have a moment, could you, maybe, check my thread on Shaco?

http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com...985&highlight=

http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com...220&highlight=