Morello: "We want Morgana lanes to be less autofarm"

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Aeolian Melodies

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10-13-2013

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I'm gonna say that I think it would be cool to see her as a jungler, sort of like Fiddlesticks or Karma.
The new W damage is capped vs minions. Chances are current Morgana is a better jungler rofl


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Riot Morgageddon

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10-13-2013
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Morgageddon has been watching carefully.

I've commented on several other threads about this as well, so it's not like I'm ignoring the issue. I even posted on the PBE thread asking for feedback


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Phry

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10-13-2013

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It doesn't match the damage immediately, but why is it so horrible that Morgana can't instantly waveclear at lv. 5?

I can't think of a single mage that can waveclear at lv. 5 with one spell.

Ok, first of all, nothing about Morgana's wave clear is instant. Please go look up that word, think about Tormented Soil, and get back to me. Not instant wave clear.

Second of all, she can't wave clear with the PBE soil at higher levels either. On the PBE, even an assassin like Ahri has better wave clear than Morgana, and faster to boot.

Go try it.

And finally, Morgana only has 2 non ult offensive spells, the Wave Clearing spell in question, and an extremely high cooldown single target snare. It's not like she has other options on what to do after putting down the pool.


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chumbler

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10-13-2013

I'm just waiting for them to nerf her ult so that Morgana using hourglass cancels it. Because you know, there's no interaction if she throws herself in the middle of your team, sits in one place while invulnerable for only half the timer, and waits for 3 seconds while hoping people stay in range while tethered in the League of Mobility, so clearly that has to be fixed. This will create gameplay somehow, and hey, if they're taking away the only thing she had going for her during laning, they may as well totally dumpster her while they're at it.


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Magni

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10-13-2013

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Second of all, she can't wave clear with the PBE soil at higher levels either. On the PBE, even an assassin like Ahri has better wave clear than Morgana, and faster to boot.
Morgana W:
100 / 162.5 / 225 / 287.5 / 350 (+1.0 AP) +15% HP

Ahri Q:
80 / 130 / 180 / 230 / 280 (+0.65 AP)

Um what?


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Phry

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10-13-2013

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Morgana W:
100 / 162.5 / 225 / 287.5 / 350 (+1.0 AP) +15% HP

Ahri Q:
80 / 130 / 180 / 230 / 280 (+0.65 AP)

Um what?
So, you've never played Ahri?

Hint, unlike morgana, she has more than 1 spell to clear a wave.

At lvl 7, the same lvl morgana can start to clear minions with her W on the PBE, Ahri can take the entire wave down to near dead before they even meet the enemy minions, throwing a Q at them as they run into a straight line down the lane. You can then foxfire to clear the melee minions, all this while Morgana is just barely placing down her W, since she has to wait for minion positioning.

Who else wave clears better in Mid on the PBE than Morgana?

Zyra, Zed, Anivia, Orianna, Lux, Ziggs

Just go actually try it, something you obviously have not done. I was able to clear the minions and push on Morg as an Ahri on the PBE with just 2 Dorans and lvl 7. That doesn't happen on live.

Also, at lvl 8 and 9+, Ahri has TRUE instant wave clear. She can 1 shot the caster minions before they even finish reaching the lane. Something Morgana can never do.


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Lina lnverse

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10-13-2013

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Morgana W:
100 / 162.5 / 225 / 287.5 / 350 (+1.0 AP) +15% HP

Ahri Q:
80 / 130 / 180 / 230 / 280 (+0.65 AP)

Um what?

Half of that damage from ahri is true damage you know.


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Cordelia Gallo

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10-13-2013

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And finally, Morgana only has 2 non ult offensive spells, the Wave Clearing spell in question, and an extremely high cooldown single target snare. It's not like she has other options on what to do after putting down the pool.
I also want to add that her extremely high cd single target snare has extremely slow animation and is extremely easy to dodge :\


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Xyrne

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10-13-2013

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Morgana W:
100 / 162.5 / 225 / 287.5 / 350 (+1.0 AP) +15% HP

Ahri Q:
80 / 130 / 180 / 230 / 280 (+0.65 AP)

Um what?
You know orb hits twice (one of which is true damage) and doesn't need things to stand in it for 5 seconds, right?


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Zeracanule

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10-13-2013

OH OH OH, Morgageddon, this is the EXACT same problem live xerath has if you don't run HUGE amounts of ap runes/masteries and rush ap, you can't 1 hit caster minions without building tons of damage. Since Morg is really more of a sustained damage I think it'd be a good idea if you guys could bump up the flat damage a tiny bit at 5 to get that last 20-40 minion hp in some way.

This is actually one of the smallest changes to PBE Xerath that I like, being able to 1 actually 1hit caster minions shaves what feels like minutes off the time that you're forced to be in lane, and have to be in danger, since by the time your Q/W is at lvl 5 laning phase is slowing down a bit, you can 1 hit the casters, he can 1 W Q them. No need to do the derp thing of having to last his the 3 minions before they get to tower, while dodging Zed Qs.