@Morello: When you consider nerfing Support Zyra. Just remember one crucial thing....

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No Pawns Dawns

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10-08-2013

Can't wait for her plants that dont attack people to be more involved!


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Vanagloria

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10-08-2013

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Originally Posted by No Pawns Dawns View Post
Can't wait for her plants that dont attack people to be more involved!
Basing a champion design around (terrible) AI seems like a poor idea in my eyes. I liked Zyra because the plants were a core tool to use while still allowing me to control my own damage with skillshots. Remove her base damage/ratios and make her depend on plants who have no ****ing idea what they're doing and you have an unplayable champ.


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Orimza

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10-08-2013

However you choose to nerd her, remember that her scalings can be boosted to compensate. Supports don't build too much AP

Also, please don't make her plant-based. She'll either be reliant on a 3-hp, immobile object or become heimerdinger 2.0


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Aerothal

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10-08-2013

And to all the people talking about her strong damages and her ult radius etc. who do not even play her, consider this:
Ult knock-up activation time: 2 seconds
Passive activation time: 2 seconds (also slow missile speed and skill-shot)
With the speed changes in season 3 it is actually quite easy to walk out of those ranges, especially if you have gap closers.
buds: if you do not activate with either e or q before ulting, you dont get plants because the ult does not activate buds.
You have to chose between slowing or ranged plants by activating buds with different spells.
the second activated plant does 50% damage of the first.
grasping root speed is actually really slow compared to other skill-shots and the range is short too.

You all talk as if playing zyra successfully is a cakewalk... SMH


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InivtesPreeze

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10-08-2013

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Originally Posted by Blade of Justic View Post
You act as though Morello has any qualms about nerfing a champion into oblivion.

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UnderworldH4des

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10-08-2013

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Can't wait for her plants that dont attack people to be more involved!
She might end up being worse then heimer. At least heimer turrets do decent damage.


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Morello

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10-08-2013
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Originally Posted by DeathByWaffle View Post
Morello, quick question.

What would you think about having Zyra's base damages reduced, but compensated by an increase in AP ratios? The idea would be to encourage Zyra players to play her AP mage if they want to do damage, whereas support Zyra players still has strong utility, but less of the damage, making them less dominant.
A good way to tune this for sure.


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Morello

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10-08-2013
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Originally Posted by Diab0Malandro NA View Post
Lets' go back to the OP point, something Morello hasn't mentioned at all.

The reason that Annie, Fiddle, Nidalee, Zyra even Elise get played as supports it's because other supports got nerfed so they didn't have any impact in the game. That's how bad supporting has become, if you use a support, you should count yourself as being useless and unable to carry games.
I believe supports can and should have an impact in the game, but Riot seems to keep going "nope" whenever you're close to this.

People rarely want to play support, they feel like it's unimpactfull and overburdened with warding aura items, etc... while getting no gold.
There was talk about shifting some warding responsibility away froom support so they are more then ward machines and get 3 items in a 50 hour game, but what for??? They can't do anything with the items cause they're trash, EVEB NID LANERS MAKE BETTER SUPPORTS.

...and if supports get more items, will it be some sort of choice associated with, or just the USUAL dump whatever aura item on support that has no synergy with his kit cause he's just there to be the team's pack mule.
That actually inspires poorer gameplay, since instead of a team working towards a common goal each with his niche, it becomes 1 guy stuck with all the responsibility while the rest are exempt of team responsibilities.
This is why we're systemically fixing this in preseason. It's going to be MADNESS.


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TAScientist

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10-08-2013

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This is why we're systemically fixing this in preseason. It's going to be MADNESS.
what, are they actually getting mass buffed? it'll take more than changes to wards to undo the damage done by years of continuous nerfs


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Regina George

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10-08-2013

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Originally Posted by Morello View Post
This is why we're systemically fixing this in preseason. It's going to be MADNESS.
We've heard that before, please pardon our skepticism.