Starting Gold Quints? What would happen?

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Riot Zephyreal

Player Support Specialist

09-07-2013
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Originally Posted by FreshFuhrer View Post
Don't you think the early game is passive enough?
I don't think there's a right answer to this question because many strategies of varying aggression levels can work, but I'll try my best to answer it.

There are a lot of examples in competitive play that go against this. For example, watching the Chinese qualifiers last night all I saw were 3v1 dives against the solo top laner at level 3, even with our changes to the tower's defenses. Maybe they don't get the tower, but they definitely bully hard.

There are also incredibly aggressive mid-lane plays in the NA scene. The standout example would be TSM's Reginald consistently going all-in in the early levels with Ahri/Zed to establish lane dominance.

Now that's not to say some teams like slow-playing the game a bit, and it still is a viable strategy so long as you can hold towers and dragons. But that isn't really a problem with League of Legends being too passive... it's just a strategic choice by teams, because as I've shown aggressive strategies are there and are also viable at the highest levels.

To address my part of the statement saying it might not necessarily be a bad thing... let's just take a small sample size and look at the Reginald example. Would it be a terrible thing to have an extra couple of pots so that when Reginald all-ins you and doesn't kill you, instead of being forced to back immediately you can burn the two pots and still keep up with him in sustain? Again, you are sacrificing Quintessence slots for this, so you'll feel the negative effects of it later in the game. But the strength you gain is that your opponent burns a lot of resources in the cooldown department to try to win the laning phase early, but you can bounce back from it with sustain. Then the strategy changes to more of a "farm up until you can guarantee the kill" since someone in Reginald's position would want to save his/her cooldowns (particularly ignite) versus those two extra pots, and that aggression is delayed 2-3 levels. Which should be fine with the player in Reginald's position anyways, because he/she can just wait until the mid-game when his/her quints will beat out your quints anyways.

But then maybe YOU go "I can't wait for mid game; I have an early pot advantage I should capitalize on, so I'll be the one going in hard at level 2". So in the end maybe a strategy that initially lends itself to being passive may not be so passive after all! And this is the fun part of theory-crafting!

I hope I was able to answer your question in a satisfactory and not-too-confusing manner.


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FreshFuhrer

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09-07-2013

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Originally Posted by Riot Zephyreal View Post
I hope I was able to answer your question in a satisfactory and not-too-confusing manner.
Sure, but that refers to pro-teams that have highly organized ganks, at the highest level of play. Frankly, they are the lowest common denominator. How would such a thing address players in Solo queue, or even low-end 5 man teams?


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Riot Zephyreal

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09-07-2013
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Sure, but that refers to pro-teams that have highly organized ganks, at the highest level of play. Frankly, they are the lowest common denominator. How would such a thing address players in Solo queue, or even low-end 5 man teams?
I don't feel I am qualified to answer this since I'm not a game designer, because it sounds like a question of prioritizing balance around competitive play vs solo queue or whatever else. I'm sure our designers have some method to the madness of balancing, but not being one I can't say for sure what they do. Sorry!

But I believe it would be a good idea for players in solo queue or low-end 5 man teams to look at LoL at the highest level of play and use that to learn. I know I personally learned a lot about this game at a fundamental level and about other roles by watching pro players stream solo queue for example. And of course me just sitting here thinking about starting gold quints is probably just a miniscule amount of what can possibly come out of it. I watch a lot of the competitive scene so that's just the basis my mind uses when theorycrafting.


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