@Ironstylus, about Sivir relaunch

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Niqhtmare x

Senior Member

05-28-2013

SIVIR!
Can't wait


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Sauron

Senior Member

05-28-2013

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The goals are for her to feel like an actual character, not a one-off, not something obtuse and obscure, but something that hits on familiar tropes but still feels uniquely "Sivir".
Noxian Pizza Delivery Princess. Tip or die!


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chumbler

Senior Member

05-28-2013

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So, again, can't disclose much, she's not releasing any time soon. But, we have a solid direction, and it allows us to take her current look and update it significantly. It means changing it in a direction that makes it right contextually with her background while trying to maintain, what, if anything, people find in her current look that resonates. I would submit that not much really resonates in her current state. Yellow, black, copy-paste-front-back tabard, yikes.

That said, there's some iconicism that we have to maintain. She doesn't need to be decked out in anything too heavy, she needs to be light and swift, she's the warrior-princess archetype, she should have some badlands/wasteland/desert/nomadic feel. Maybe a little female Laurence of Arabia jazz. For lack of a better term, Battle Jasmine.

The goals are for her to feel like an actual character, not a one-off, not something obtuse and obscure, but something that hits on familiar tropes but still feels uniquely "Sivir". It's hard to nail that, but I think we have a solid solution. She needs to feel connected to the world, and have a look/feel that plants her in that world, and the aesthetics to fit into her faction/region/super-friendship. Artistically with costume, leathers, cloths, a little bit of metal armor here and there, about as much as she has currently, but better defined with nicer material separation and texture work.

Right now Sivir violates a ton of stylistic rules we're implementing. Her silhouette is unique right now but for all the wrong reasons most likely. Pizza feet. noodle arms, rigid static swoop hair, etc. We're want to keep large reads, flowing hair, top/middle/bottom blocks of form and color, boots (not huge though), gauntlets, weapon, etc.

She's extremely loud and noisy, a lot of flickering in her texture. She has a lot of detail that reduces to noise. We want to eliminate that. That will come from decreasing contrast. No blacks to yellows to whites. Those transitions are too intense and don't allow the detail to breakdown into graphic shapes when zoomed out. There's no material separation currently, and we'd like her costume to feel appropriately weathered or used, not just cards of flat color pasted onto her.

She absolutely needs actual.. anatomy.. removing the spaghetti arms, and probably giving her the more "Heroic Female" build ala Wonder Woman (Note: gotta keep the midriff!) I don't think she needs as much boobs as she needs kick-ass abs. The boob area is ripe for some interesting costuming and storytelling components, rather than the bikini top it is now. It's wasted real estate I feel, we could be giving her something more interesting/fitting/pretty/stylish there. Gotta keep the sexy, but have to crank it in one direction.

Right now she's a bit of everything and a lot of nothing. It's hard to make sense of that, but we're taking what we can graphically break down as identifiable Sivir iconography and transplant it to a new body and costume. We have to imbue that overall look with what's appropriate for her origins and story line. The artistic really has to gel with the creative here. That's what I feel yields the most powerful result!

Oh, also, that weapon has to mean something
Please at least just don't do to her what you did to Soraka. Sivir looks like she should be older than average and an experienced veteran, not some girl who's barely a teenager.

Bonus points if you make her being filthy rich actually matter.

Even more bonus points if you give her a Gentlewoman Sivir skin.


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Flytrap

Senior Member

05-28-2013

Not anytime soon?

Is this like... Eve remake not-soon?


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DJ TOUGH BUTTER

Member

05-28-2013

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Originally Posted by IronStylus View Post
So, again, can't disclose much, she's not releasing any time soon. But, we have a solid direction, and it allows us to take her current look and update it significantly. It means changing it in a direction that makes it right contextually with her background while trying to maintain, what, if anything, people find in her current look that resonates. I would submit that not much really resonates in her current state. Yellow, black, copy-paste-front-back tabard, yikes.

That said, there's some iconicism that we have to maintain. She doesn't need to be decked out in anything too heavy, she needs to be light and swift, she's the warrior-princess archetype, she should have some badlands/wasteland/desert/nomadic feel. Maybe a little female Laurence of Arabia jazz. For lack of a better term, Battle Jasmine.

The goals are for her to feel like an actual character, not a one-off, not something obtuse and obscure, but something that hits on familiar tropes but still feels uniquely "Sivir". It's hard to nail that, but I think we have a solid solution. She needs to feel connected to the world, and have a look/feel that plants her in that world, and the aesthetics to fit into her faction/region/super-friendship. Artistically with costume, leathers, cloths, a little bit of metal armor here and there, about as much as she has currently, but better defined with nicer material separation and texture work.

Right now Sivir violates a ton of stylistic rules we're implementing. Her silhouette is unique right now but for all the wrong reasons most likely. Pizza feet. noodle arms, rigid static swoop hair, etc. We're want to keep large reads, flowing hair, top/middle/bottom blocks of form and color, boots (not huge though), gauntlets, weapon, etc.

She's extremely loud and noisy, a lot of flickering in her texture. She has a lot of detail that reduces to noise. We want to eliminate that. That will come from decreasing contrast. No blacks to yellows to whites. Those transitions are too intense and don't allow the detail to breakdown into graphic shapes when zoomed out. There's no material separation currently, and we'd like her costume to feel appropriately weathered or used, not just cards of flat color pasted onto her.

She absolutely needs actual.. anatomy.. removing the spaghetti arms, and probably giving her the more "Heroic Female" build ala Wonder Woman (Note: gotta keep the midriff!) I don't think she needs as much boobs as she needs kick-ass abs. The boob area is ripe for some interesting costuming and storytelling components, rather than the bikini top it is now. It's wasted real estate I feel, we could be giving her something more interesting/fitting/pretty/stylish there. Gotta keep the sexy, but have to crank it in one direction.

Right now she's a bit of everything and a lot of nothing. It's hard to make sense of that, but we're taking what we can graphically break down as identifiable Sivir iconography and transplant it to a new body and costume. We have to imbue that overall look with what's appropriate for her origins and story line. The artistic really has to gel with the creative here. That's what I feel yields the most powerful result!

Oh, also, that weapon has to mean something
For the love of Teemo and everything holy, can you change the D-pad in the Pax Sivir skin to a glowing ring disc ala 'Tron' pweety pweez?!


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Vyrolf

Senior Member

05-28-2013

Needs a six-pack for sure.


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chumbler

Senior Member

05-28-2013

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Needs a six-pack for sure.
This too. Sivir should have some muscle on her.


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IS1c1d21220aa58ffe97d65

Senior Member

05-28-2013

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Originally Posted by IronStylus View Post
So, again, can't disclose much, she's not releasing any time soon. But, we have a solid direction, and it allows us to take her current look and update it significantly. It means changing it in a direction that makes it right contextually with her background while trying to maintain, what, if anything, people find in her current look that resonates. I would submit that not much really resonates in her current state. Yellow, black, copy-paste-front-back tabard, yikes.

That said, there's some iconicism that we have to maintain. She doesn't need to be decked out in anything too heavy, she needs to be light and swift, she's the warrior-princess archetype, she should have some badlands/wasteland/desert/nomadic feel. Maybe a little female Laurence of Arabia jazz. For lack of a better term, Battle Jasmine.

The goals are for her to feel like an actual character, not a one-off, not something obtuse and obscure, but something that hits on familiar tropes but still feels uniquely "Sivir". It's hard to nail that, but I think we have a solid solution. She needs to feel connected to the world, and have a look/feel that plants her in that world, and the aesthetics to fit into her faction/region/super-friendship. Artistically with costume, leathers, cloths, a little bit of metal armor here and there, about as much as she has currently, but better defined with nicer material separation and texture work.

Right now Sivir violates a ton of stylistic rules we're implementing. Her silhouette is unique right now but for all the wrong reasons most likely. Pizza feet. noodle arms, rigid static swoop hair, etc. We're want to keep large reads, flowing hair, top/middle/bottom blocks of form and color, boots (not huge though), gauntlets, weapon, etc.

She's extremely loud and noisy, a lot of flickering in her texture. She has a lot of detail that reduces to noise. We want to eliminate that. That will come from decreasing contrast. No blacks to yellows to whites. Those transitions are too intense and don't allow the detail to breakdown into graphic shapes when zoomed out. There's no material separation currently, and we'd like her costume to feel appropriately weathered or used, not just cards of flat color pasted onto her.

She absolutely needs actual.. anatomy.. removing the spaghetti arms, and probably giving her the more "Heroic Female" build ala Wonder Woman (Note: gotta keep the midriff!) I don't think she needs as much boobs as she needs kick-ass abs. The boob area is ripe for some interesting costuming and storytelling components, rather than the bikini top it is now. It's wasted real estate I feel, we could be giving her something more interesting/fitting/pretty/stylish there. Gotta keep the sexy, but have to crank it in one direction.

Right now she's a bit of everything and a lot of nothing. It's hard to make sense of that, but we're taking what we can graphically break down as identifiable Sivir iconography and transplant it to a new body and costume. We have to imbue that overall look with what's appropriate for her origins and story line. The artistic really has to gel with the creative here. That's what I feel yields the most powerful result!

Oh, also, that weapon has to mean something
So far so good, I would opt to keep her previous tie-in to Noxus though. I quite like how her personality is developed somewhat in her current lore, being a Warrior Princess all in it for the profit. This I think is the only part of it I would like intact (personally). Gold fineries in her outfit seems proper as she is a lavish fighter, I'm thinking a feminine version of Draven with her own flavor if being a female dick.


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IronStylus

Sr. Concept Artist

05-28-2013
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Originally Posted by chumbler View Post
Please at least just don't do to her what you did to Soraka. Sivir looks like she should be older than average and an experienced veteran, not some girl who's barely a teenager.
What did we do with Soraka? She wasn't.. anything.. until her relaunch.

Either way, yeah, Sivir shouldn't be terribly young. Honestly, my brain puts her somewhere in her late 30's, but still.. ya know.. really hot..


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Merluza00

Senior Member

05-28-2013

I hope to have sivir relaunched before the next cinematics.
I felt really disappointed when I came to think how much effort did that pointless -even I enjoyed it- cinematics took from Riot while our old Sivir still looks awful and walks as she had a cramp on her left leg.