Journey Into The Freljord III: The Troll King

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Morningbell

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03-26-2013

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His lore made him a sympathetic character in a way that only an underdog can be, and his design conveyed that perfectly.

Granted, he was still a big savage troll, but his scrawny appearance made him relatable. Even if you make the new Trundle have a similar backstory, you're going to lose that sympathetic impact because he's now just another monstrous thug, who no longer fights in spite of having a disadvantage, but instead fights because he has an advantage.
Perhaps Trundle is still relatively small for a troll in Valoran? I share your concern, but until we know his new lore it's not fair to presume we know why he fights.


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Edvard Rubeartis

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03-26-2013

There is something crazy about why the original Trundle has, though-be-it a small audience, a devoted, fierce, aggressive one willing to defend his original to the bitter end. Trundle, in his decaying, sarcastic self represents the black-sheep of the League family. Though the family neglects their own, us who know the story love and appreciate the integrity of a troll willing to take the pains of his entire clan on himself, so that they may live a better future. His choice is evident in his appearance, and his regeneration constantly keeping him alive from a curse that would otherwise have killing him and all his kind.

His regeneration is a talent/superpower, and he used his superpower to save, not destroy. That makes him a hero. A hero of people that are burdened with our own everyday curses, diseases, pains, depressions, unfulfilled desires.

Even though he is only a fictional character in a fictional world, Trundle is an Idea.
An Idea that people don't have to live in a world of pain forever.
A hope that there will always rise up Heroes to stand for those who can't stand for themselves.
A dream that even as a lonely, cursed troll among many, someone had empathy enough to take my pains on him...

There are so many religious aspects to this which I will not mention, but the essence is there. I doubt that I grasped the completeness of this idea, and ask anyone who reads this to help me better express what I may have incorrectly or incompletely said myself.

I wish to express the danger of Riot saying that Heroes need to be 'reimaginined' or reworked. Heroes may be old, but they are NEVER old fashioned.


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Luscious Lenny

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03-26-2013

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So this is something we addressed with Karma's relaunch and maybe we ca do better job messaging this, but there are different tiers of reworks.

There are visual upgrades like nidalee, soraka, Annie, where only art assets are changed.

Then there are reworks like twisted fate where we change the look and the lore, but gameplay is largely unaffected.

Then there are relaunches, where the character can be evolved from all aspects, lore gameplay and art. Karma was our first. Trundle is qualifying as a relaunch since his new base is different enough from his old base to warrant the "traditional" skin.
as of now will sivir, sions even master yi's lore be drastically changed or are you not in charge of that?


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Galgus

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03-26-2013

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His lore made him a sympathetic character in a way that only an underdog can be, and his design conveyed that perfectly.

Granted, he was still a big savage troll, but his scrawny appearance made him relatable. Even if you make the new Trundle have a similar backstory, you're going to lose that sympathetic impact because he's now just another monstrous thug, who no longer fights in spite of having a disadvantage, but instead fights because he has an advantage.
I also oppose the potential loss of Trundle's old lore, but he has some advatages in the FoJ.

1. He can use his curse to drain vitality from others and the land itself.

2. Pain tolerance that only Mordekaiser could relate to.

3. Even a small troll is strong by human standards.


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Timeless Yyr

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03-26-2013

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So this is something we addressed with Karma's relaunch and maybe we ca do better job messaging this, but there are different tiers of reworks.

There are visual upgrades like nidalee, soraka, Annie, where only art assets are changed.

Then there are reworks like twisted fate where we change the look and the lore, but gameplay is largely unaffected.

Then there are relaunches, where the character can be evolved from all aspects, lore gameplay and art. Karma was our first. Trundle is qualifying as a relaunch since his new base is different enough from his old base to warrant the "traditional" skin.
If i can intercept you for 1 second, I'd like to ask you a couple of questions

1) Are trundle skins gonna get the "new" face/body or the "old" one? I simply love the new Trundle design, and I would like to play THAT face with my Lil's Slugger, not the rotten old troll!

2) Are the names of his skills all gonna change to reflect his new ice-related personality? A pillar of ice is awesome, but i don't believe his other skills are gonna relate very much with a Freljiord theme (except the terrain buff, ice would work nicely there....sliiiiiiiiiide!).


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Galgus

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So this is something we addressed with Karma's relaunch and maybe we ca do better job messaging this, but there are different tiers of reworks.

There are visual upgrades like nidalee, soraka, Annie, where only art assets are changed.

Then there are reworks like twisted fate where we change the look and the lore, but gameplay is largely unaffected.

Then there are relaunches, where the character can be evolved from all aspects, lore gameplay and art. Karma was our first. Trundle is qualifying as a relaunch since his new base is different enough from his old base to warrant the "traditional" skin.
Karma's lore change was a continuation of the old, Trundle's lore and character seem to just be scrapped.

This is pretty much dumping a champion and re-using their kit for someone else.

EDIT: I'd like to ammend my second sentence to: "This so far seems to be dumping a champion and re-using their kit for someone else."


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Grumpy Monkey

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03-26-2013
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If i can intercept you for 1 second, I'd like to ask you a couple of questions

1) Are trundle skins gonna get the "new" face/body or the "old" one? I simply love the new Trundle design, and I would like to play THAT face with my Lil's Slugger, not the rotten old troll!

2) Are the names of his skills all gonna change to reflect his new ice-related personality? A pillar of ice is awesome, but i don't believe his other skills are gonna relate very much with a Freljiord theme (except the terrain buff, ice would work nicely there....sliiiiiiiiiide!).
We Allways update the skins.
And probably. I dont know the final names. You will have to wait for the final reveal for that info.


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MrTharne

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03-26-2013

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However, with the Trundle VU, from a kit standpoint alone, there is a huge disconnect. Now that the whole "disease" theme is gone, the vast majority of his abilities are now out of context (save for his Pillar).
With some new names for spells and rewritting for tooltips, all skills are good.

Q - Frostbite.
W - Ice Rink. (you get the idea)
E - Iceberg.
R - Heat Sucker.

How is that not working ?
It came in my mind in like 2sec when i saw his new default skin. -_-


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Zerglinator

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03-26-2013

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So this is something we addressed with Karma's relaunch and maybe we ca do better job messaging this, but there are different tiers of reworks.

There are visual upgrades like nidalee, soraka, Annie, where only art assets are changed.

Then there are reworks like twisted fate where we change the look and the lore, but gameplay is largely unaffected.

Then there are relaunches, where the character can be evolved from all aspects, lore gameplay and art. Karma was our first. Trundle is qualifying as a relaunch since his new base is different enough from his old base to warrant the "traditional" skin.
Wait, did Twisted Fate get his lore changed?

I checked, it doesn't look like he ever did...


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TheEnygma

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03-26-2013

I thought Soraka got the lore change and that was about it? why she in VU section?