Journey Into The Freljord III: The Troll King

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Gaia

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03-25-2013

...April fools!


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03-25-2013

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I really liked Trundle's lore and judgement.

I'm sad to see it go..
Hopefully they don't just scrap his current lore, and they tie it into this new lore. Maybe Trundle figures out how to cure his disease and becomes idolized.

Also, is Trundle getting new voice work as well? That would make me sad, I love Trundle's existing voice work.


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Sicklespine

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03-25-2013

Very cool, I like Trundle's new look. Keep up the great work.


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Arcane Azmadi

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03-25-2013

Why is this GARBAGE getting upvotes?

This is outright VANDALISM of a champion, Riot. Trundle's story was unique, as you admit. But you can't be having with that, despite your protestations that you don't want LoL to just be another generic fantasy setting, so you dump all that and just make him a generic ice troll king. Screw that. This is the same trash you did to Karthus- you can't handle the idea of a champion who comes from outside the tiny world that every other champ comes from (in his case, the Howling Marsh) so rather than take the opportunity to expand your world, you prefer to contract it instead (now he's a retarded death fetishist from the Shadow Isles because that's where ALL the creepy undead weird guys come from).

You yourself said when you released Trundle you want Runeterran trolls to be something unique and you succeeded. They weren't marauding monsters, they were pitiful cursed creature who were more of a nuisance than a serious threat. Trundle's story was great, he wasn't a generic troll warlord, he was the tribal pariah who sacrificed himself to save them from their disfiguring curse, only to find himself even MORE of an outcast, seeking salvation from his pain in the League. But apparently that was too interesting so NOW HE'S A GENERIC TROLL WARLORD.

You said he was "disconnected from the rest of the world". That's YOUR fault, Riot, because you didn't put in the effort to connect him to thre rest of the world. And no, that's NOT what you're doing now, now you're just throwing the baby out with the bath water, running a new bath and adopting a new baby. If you wanted him to be connected to the rest of the world, what about, oh I don't know, WRITING SOME MORE LORE THAT CONNECTS THE RHUGOSK TROLLS WITH THE REST OF THE WORLD?

You know what this reminds me of? Marvel, Spider-Man and Mary-Jane. After Peter Parker and Mary Jane got married, Marvel complained that they couldn't write anything about them, that she "constrained" him and the marriage was "boring". So what did they do? Did they actually ATTEMPT to try and write interesting stories with the material they were given, rather than just making MJ sit around at home going "oh poor Peter, where is he, I'm so worried about him"? No, they decided the MARRIAGE was the problem rather than the crappy writing so they went to STUPID lengths to get rid of it, eventually ending up in having Peter sell his marriage to the devil. That's what you're doing here. You feel a bit of lore doesn't work, so rather than actually making even the tiniest effort to attempt to FIX it, you just dump the lot and rewrite it as something more generic and boring. "The Rhugosk trolls don't really fit in with the rest of the world? OK, dump that lot, we'll just stick' em in Freljord, plenty of room there for any number of unspecified threats that can remain "connected" to the League. Wait, so Trundle's 'diseased leper' aesthetic doesn't really fit any more? OK, screw that then, just make him a generic snow troll warlord and give him a magic club which we can say is evil to justify his 'Cursed Troll' tag."

I am ANGRY about this, Riot. This is honestly inexcusable. You are making a concerted effort to throw the lore under the bus and make your once interesting game as generic, boring and bland as you possibly can. No, the "Traditional Trundle" skin does NOT make up for this retardeded violation of established canon.

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Originally Posted by die4769 View Post
Hopefully they don't just scrap his current lore, and they tie it into this new lore. Maybe Trundle figures out how to cure his disease and becomes idolized.

Also, is Trundle getting new voice work as well? That would make me sad, I love Trundle's existing voice work.
Nope, they're scrapping everything. There's no way to reconcile the new lore with the old lore, so Trundle is basically being completely replaced. I bet all his abilities will be renamed to non-disease-related versions too because he's not "the Cursed Troll" any more, he's just a generic troll.


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Professor Maple

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I dare not utter my worst fears. If Prince Jarvan knew what was happening, I think his heart might skip a beat. Poor Jarvan, sitting all alone in his chambers - I hope he finally takes the opportunity to write Quinn back!
Jarvan might be be a bit distracted by some fires that seem to have broken out in his bed chambers.


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Galgus

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03-25-2013

This isn't Trundle.

Trundle has an interesting backstory as a rejected hero, forced to wander because noone would accept him.

This is a generic troll that has more in common with an opposite of Trundle than shared traits.


Trundle's story could have been developed further.

He could have found acceptance among more virtuous individuals.

He could have continued his search for a cure, and perhaps even agreed to serve a city-state in the FoJ in exhange for a cure.


IMO, this new model should be used for a different Troll champion that contrasts Trundle.

Just don't replace one of your more interesting characters with a stereotype.


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PandaPotPie1

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03-25-2013

trundle was perfection. he barely got buffed or nerfed


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Hollywood Cool

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03-25-2013

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Hopefully they don't just scrap his current lore, and they tie it into this new lore. Maybe Trundle figures out how to cure his disease and becomes idolized.

Also, is Trundle getting new voice work as well? That would make me sad, I love Trundle's existing voice work.
That would be cool. Have the lore actually update itself.


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Yaddar

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03-25-2013

So, Sej VU, Trundle VU, Ice Witch, Lissandra and Howlig Abyss?

u have been busy for sure.


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Galgus

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Why is this GARBAGE getting upvotes?

This is outright VANDALISM of a champion, Riot. Trundle's story was unique, as you admit. But you can't be having with that, despite your protestations that you don't want LoL to just be another generic fantasy setting, so you dump all that and just make him a generic ice troll king. Screw that. This is the same trash you did to Karthus- you can't handle the idea of a champion who comes from outside the tiny world that every other champ comes from (in his case, the Howling Marsh) so rather than take the opportunity to expand your world, you prefer to contract it instead (now he's a retarded death fetishist from the Shadow Isles because that's where ALL the creepy undead weird guys come from).

You yourself said when you released Trundle you want Runeterran trolls to be something unique and you succeeded. They weren't marauding monsters, they were pitiful cursed creature who were more of a nuisance than a serious threat. Trundle's story was great, he wasn't a generic troll warlord, he was the tribal pariah who sacrificed himself to save them from their disfiguring curse, only to find himself even MORE of an outcast, seeking salvation from his pain in the League. But apparently that was too interesting so NOW HE'S A GENERIC TROLL WARLORD.

You said he was "disconnected from the rest of the world". That's YOUR fault, Riot, because you didn't put in the effort to connect him to thre rest of the world. And no, that's NOT what you're doing now, now you're just throwing the baby out with the bath water, running a new bath and adopting a new baby. If you wanted him to be connected to the rest of the world, what about, oh I don't know, WRITING SOME MORE LORE THAT CONNECTS THE RHUGOSK TROLLS WITH THE REST OF THE WORLD?

You know what this reminds me of? Marvel, Spider-Man and Mary-Jane. After Peter Parker and Mary Jane got married, Marvel complained that they couldn't write anything about them, that she "constrained" him and the marriage was "boring". So what did they do? Did they actually ATTEMPT to try and write interesting stories with the material they were given, rather than just making MJ sit around at home going "oh poor Peter, where is he, I'm so worried about him"? No, they decided the MARRIAGE was the problem rather than the crappy writing so they went to STUPID lengths to get rid of it, eventually ending up in having Peter sell his marriage to the devil. That's what you're doing here. You feel a bit of lore doesn't work, so rather than actually making even the tiniest effort to attempt to FIX it, you just dump the lot and rewrite it as something more generic and boring. "The Rhugosk trolls don't really fit in with the rest of the world? OK, dump that lot, we'll just stick' em in Freljord, plenty of room there for any number of unspecified threats that can remain "connected" to the League. Wait, so Trundle's 'diseased leper' aesthetic doesn't really fit any more? OK, screw that then, just make him a generic snow troll warlord and give him a magic club which we can say is evil to justify his 'Cursed Troll' tag."

I am ANGRY about this, Riot. This is honestly inexcusable. You are making a concerted effort to throw the lore under the bus and make your once interesting game as generic, boring and bland as you possibly can. No, the "Traditional Trundle" skin does NOT make up for this retardeded violation of established canon.

Nope, they're scrapping everything. There's no way to reconcile the new lore with the old lore, so Trundle is basically being completely replaced. I bet all his abilities will be renamed to non-disease-related versions too because he's not "the Cursed Troll" any more, he's just a generic troll.
I share your frustration and agree with your points, but it you are a bit too incendiary against Riot.

But yeah, this isn't Trundle: this is almost his opposite.