So, about that Karma leak...

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Freye

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03-15-2013

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Originally Posted by Selcopa View Post
Is the new kit envisioned to be support or ap?
I believe they previously stated her rework is intended to put her in the role of bursty ap support, like Zyra and Lux.


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RubenatorX

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This just isn't Karma. Not at all.

Perfectly fine with her filling more roles, and the passive is a nice idea. But there's nothing Karma-like about her anymore with no skillfully used/needed AoE healing. Instead she's far more single target oriented and using abilities/a kit not unlike Leblanc's due to some mechanic changes.

So she'll join the ranks of AP mids and some niche tops and lose a lot of her flavor and what made her her in the process. To that end this isn't Karma, but another champion entirely.
I'm pretty sure a clutch AoE shield can be just as effective as a clutch AoE heal in a lot of situations. Also, she still has AoE on her Q and her E so.. idk what you are complaining about.
I'll admit that the non-mantra version of Focused Resolve sounds like a champion targeted version of leblancs E, but karma also doesn't have sigils to proc.


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aotnemrot

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What's the base cooldown on Mantra? How much do AAs and abilites reduce the cooldown? Actually, I'd like some more numbers in general, like base damages and ap ratios, but I'm happy knowing a little more about Mantra.


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Mac2492

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03-15-2013

I really miss the duality of Karma's skills. Being able to use all her skills either supportively or offensively. Her reworked Q and E already accomplish a lot at once, so adding more to them would be pushing it.

Her W might benefit from a slight tweak. Allow it to be used on allies as well, healing as long as the connection lasts and cleansing when the connection breaks. Mantra version remains the same (increase heal and heal Karma over duration). This would give her kit much more versatility, and advanced players would have a choice between damaging and setting up a root or healing and timing a clutch cleanse. I feel like this would also bridge the old Karma with the new one on terms of support. Her new support seems very offense-oriented, but her only hard CC requires you to stick near your enemy (baaad for a squishy casters). Her old kit allowed her to play back a little when necessary.


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Timeless Yyr

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What's the base cooldown on Mantra? How much do AAs and abilites reduce the cooldown? Actually, I'd like some more numbers in general, like base damages and ap ratios, but I'm happy knowing a little more about Mantra.
Scarizard said the passive works with every enemy hit (he mentioned her Q hitting multiple targets and proccing the passive every time), so I would think it's 1 second for every target.
Hitting a whole wave with Q would reduce the cooldown of like 12 seconds if it was different (ex: 2 seconds every target)... would be a bit too good even with a 40 seconds cooldown mantra!


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Kalandria

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03-15-2013

Got 2 major things to say:

First, why do you gift people who never played karma in their life a traditional skin... most of people are buying karma now just to get a free skin, people who havent even seen that champ while their true fans got the same reward as them.

Second and also said a lot, why removing the fans? i would really like to see a rework of her with empowered fans, it was really good on her and reflects the balance and enlightment on her.

Thanks for the time :3 luvs, Kalandria


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FrozenMistninja

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03-15-2013

This is gonna hurt
I Hope you brought some medication
I'm seething with calmness
How dare you interrupt my meditation
Im Self Sustaining my inner flame burns bright
They call me Karma because I control your quality of life
Think no one plays me?
My popularity has no equal
I got the most fans in the whole league and they're all lethal
So bring your whole clan and your family and we'll brawl people
I kill Noxians from a sound sleep cause' they're all feeble
It may be harsh, but we're past negotiation
I was prepared to tolerate everything short of a full invasion
Killed most of my village and I'm here to balance the equation
Not a Natural warrior but you forced me to defend my nation
And on occasion I might even enjoy it a bit
cause no matter what you do we'll always have our spirit
My strength lies in my brethren and I'm happy to lead'em
Cause you can take our lives, but you can never take our freedom
Not here to weather the storms I'm here to calm them
And if your team's around you should alarm them
Our victory is assured I got a plan
I'm farmed up and it's about to hit the fan
My power's a secret, quiet agent of aggression
You can call me Bond, Spirit Bond 007
I can play multiple lanes so I use my discretion
but no matter where I end up you end up in depression
cause you can try to kill me, but failure is assured
the more health I lose, the more my shield endures
and if you try to dive me, well I'll just wave politely
Use a mantra charge, and live everytime while your death is likely
That was embarassing, I bet your team reports you
It looked pretty intentional, it was so easy to thwart you
I know you rarely see me but you could look me up
You play like you've got the brain capacity of a dixie cup
I'm so enlightened I'm pretty sure I flouresce
You need to borrow some gold? Seems I have an excess
Now that I'm fed there's absolutely no stress
I can't believe how easy it was to destroy you in this ridiculous dress
Not here to weather the storms I'm here to calm them
And if your team's around you should alarm them
Our victory is assured I got a plan
I'm farmed up and it's about to hit the fan

If you want riot To Keep the FANS! In some form or another, taunt, joke, recall, dance, revival then please keep posting. Riot doesnt understand that the FANS she holds are a symbol of all of the old Karma Players! Because we are The FANS. If you know the song lyrics by badministrator called hit the fan posted above, then you are in the cult of Karma DieHards! Keep the fans in some form Riot, we supported what many called an unfinished champion for 2 years, so please make this sacrifice for us and show us you support the minority of us as well!


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xXCrazyBarksXx

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03-15-2013

how is it fair that teammates get bonus shield? shouldn't it be part of base? not many supports have ap.


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Afrocalypse

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03-15-2013

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Originally Posted by Timeless Yyr View Post
Scarizard said the passive works with every enemy hit (he mentioned her Q hitting multiple targets and proccing the passive every time), so I would think it's 1 second for every target.
Hitting a whole wave with Q would reduce the cooldown of like 12 seconds if it was different (ex: 2 seconds every target)... would be a bit too good even with a 40 seconds cooldown mantra!
As far as I read the cdr only applies when hitting a champion.


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xXCrazyBarksXx

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03-15-2013

do you think she will be viable in competitive play and what makes her special against other supports?