@Xypherous reasoning for Vayne's AS change not going live?

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Bungboy

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03-01-2013

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Tristana has one of the weakest midgames of any ADC and her AS steroid has a quite large downtime.
Vayne has the weakest earlygame of any ADC and her ult has a downtime as well. Your move?


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Phreak

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couldn't the same be said for tristana

not saying that vayne needed the buff
Yeah probably. However, her late-game actual damage output is low whenever Rapid Fire is down. Has a worse uptime than Kog'Maw's W (who also gets the equivalent of bonus AS/lvl with the Q passive). Feels fairly consistent to me.


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Phreak

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Vayne has the weakest earlygame of any ADC and her ult has a downtime as well. Your move?
Ashe.


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Yeah probably. However, her late-game actual damage output is low whenever Rapid Fire is down. Has a worse uptime than Kog'Maw's W (who also gets the equivalent of bonus AS/lvl with the Q passive). Feels fairly consistent to me.
I'm sure you tested lowering the CD on her Q, did it make her too strong?


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Vayne has the weakest earlygame of any ADC and her ult has a downtime as well. Your move?
Right, so it stands to reason that you don't help her early game by giving her a late game buff she doesn't need.


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Noric

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Vayne has the weakest earlygame of any ADC and her ult has a downtime as well. Your move?
The newly buffed AD item has 40% AS, %current hp(vayne procs after 3 hits so you get optimal damage from the %current for small exchanges), sustain, and lacks mass AD(name another adc that actually self buffs AD)


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Bungboy

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Right, so it stands to reason that you don't fix her early game by giving her a late game buff she doesn't need.
If you had read the thread instead of just reading one of my posts, I already said Vayne didn't need the AS buffs, but Trist doesn't need them either.


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Yeah probably. However, her late-game actual damage output is low whenever Rapid Fire is down. Has a worse uptime than Kog'Maw's W (who also gets the equivalent of bonus AS/lvl with the Q passive). Feels fairly consistent to me.
Right, but Tristana has the advantage of being pretty much unkillable in teamfights unless she makes a bad play. Her ult+W put her almost 2000 range away from enemy champions so she doesn't even need anyone to peel for her. I actually play Tristana a lot in solo queue. She seems perfectly fine to me, especially with her powerful early game.


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The newly buffed AD item has 40% AS, %current hp(vayne procs after 3 hits so you get optimal damage from the %current for small exchanges), sustain, and lacks mass AD(name another adc that actually self buffs AD)
Twitch


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Noric

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Twitch
lvl 2 vayne ult gives more AD than lvl 3 twitch ult
vayne ult cd is flat at 70 seconds whereas twitch ult scales 120-100 seconds.

You are right that he is another champ with that steroid though.