Zed needs a couple playability tweaks

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Borigrad

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02-24-2013

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I hope you realize you're potentially provoking a few Summoners.

*gets popcorn*
(Just say that he's not going to get buffed)
Of course he isn't getting buffed, he's already been nerfed on the PBE.


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PallasAthens

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02-24-2013

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No that's not the same. Rumble's Q was designed with ridiculously high damage because of the fact it didn't do full damage during spells. Then when they were finally able to code it properly it had to be nerfed. It was over compensated for bad design cause it was designed to only hit for 70-75% of the total damage. Xypherous made a huge post about it, stop being ignorant.
You're right, they fixed it and then it became ridiculous.

Now, lets fix Zeds energy and range issues. Sure, it won't add damage, but it certainly is a huge buff. Zed being able to ult an ADC from outside of a fight? Being able to spam Q and E constantly in a fight?

To compensate they would have to reduce his damage output by a good bit. But then people would cry 'Nerfs' anyway and people will still complain that Zed needs playability tweaks.

he's fine as he is, he can become a hyper carry like Khaz or Vi if he gets a few kills. Buffing his energy regen or Ult range is really uneeded, especially since he's not ranged. I don't see people clamoring to want Garens ult range increased, or increase on Khazs E jump just because it's short or what have you.


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Griftrix

Senior Animation Engineer

02-24-2013
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I hope you realize you're potentially provoking a few Summoners.

*gets popcorn*
(Just say that he's not going to get buffed)
Did you know that reds track reds as much as non reds do?


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Phil Nye

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02-24-2013

Rengar is a good example of a champ that got strong evident QoL buffs. Anyone remember release Rengar? When he jumped -> W, he was clunkier than a theme park animatronic. After he could cast W while moving and they made his passive much more mobile/responsive, he became a lot more usable from a purely mechanical perspective, not tactical/counterplay so much.

You know what actually might be a decent compromise if they were to implement such an idea? Is if they made the range on the ult increase a little per rank, that way he has to put himself to some extent of risk/be a little more predictable when he's doing a roam "wtf" gank and lessens how much zoning power he can have in lane available, but allows him a little more lenience in where this problem is most often found, aka in teamfights.


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Zerglinator

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02-24-2013

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Did you know that reds track reds as much as non reds do?
So a lot?


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02-24-2013

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Did you know that reds track reds as much as non reds do?
oh


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PallasAthens

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02-24-2013

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Rengar is a good example of a champ that got strong evident QoL buffs. Anyone remember release Rengar? When he jumped -> W, he was clunkier than a theme park animatronic. After he could cast W while moving and they made his passive much more mobile/responsive, he became a lot more usable from a purely mechanical perspective, not tactical/counterplay so much.
This is a good example. They gave him QoL buffs after he was released(That is, Fixing the E glitch where it wouldnt' do damage, the W castable while moved, Ult movement speed increase)

This was an overreaction of buffs. Because then Rengar started being a top pick each game, that or banned. even after the cries of 'Rengars so weak' when he first came out(Even though he was quite strong). I see the Zed arguments as the same. Even though Zed is in a pretty good spot right now.


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Wheazle

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02-24-2013

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Did you know that reds track reds as much as non reds do?
If thats true how does Morello still have his job? Tenure?


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Sincarnation

Senior Member

02-24-2013

Zed really doesnt need it if you think of how far he can close a gap from.
He can throw his shadow forward, swap with it, flash, ult and he is on top of someone from 1575 units away thats pretty damn long


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A bouncy Furret

Senior Member

02-24-2013

If Zed needs anything, it's a less complex skill floor.