Anyone else a bit dissapointed with Quinn's design?

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Captain Youl

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02-13-2013

stylus post went from -19 to +87

i dont even know why its been in the negatives


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Urbadurban

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02-13-2013

Shes not a *****, I dont like her- Half of the LoL community


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Avalon Bright

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02-13-2013

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Originally Posted by chumbler View Post
I don't think you're in the position to call other people mouthbreathing idiots when you apparently don't realize that people who actually live in arctic climates don't run around wearing bikinis all day. They actually, you know, make the sensible decision to wear heavy clothes that keep them alive.
I didn't say they went around wearing bikinis, I said people who live in the cold are used to the damn cold.Protip: You're not going to die of frostbite just because you're wearing lighter clothing. We don't even know how cold Freljord IS other than the fact that it snows.


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SolidSp33d

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02-13-2013

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Originally Posted by IronStylus View Post
Some quick context:

Quinn used to be a guy, then I turned her into a woman. That woman is a ranger, she's prepared for a fight, she's wearing thicker armor but not plate aside from key places where she would have to interact with an enemy's face.

Quinn was not designed to be in a skin-tight outfit. That was tried, and look, again, like a woman with a cape, in a skin tight outfit, which had been worked to death by Zyra, Syndra, Elise, and Diana. She does not care about looking feminine, she cares about utility. Baggy fatigues which have hardened pockets, knee pads to dig into the ground to take a shot, no exposed flesh to take a graze.

A functional Demacian helmet which adds sleekness is a design choice. It's Valkyrie, it's a motif, and it's a visual landmark. She has a gauntlet reminiscent of a falconer's glove which is armored because Valor has armor on his talons, to again, interact with an enemy's face. He can do damage to even thick leather.

Her hood is collapsed, she has essentially a themed parka with a bird motif, Functional but themed.

She has what equates to kevlar, thickened material able to resist a blade. She has Demacian signifiers all over her, and bird motifs worked in. She is functional but fantasy.

Regarding femininity, I was called out long ago when Sejuani released for making the reasoning that Sejuani might wear less clothing so that "you can tell she's female." That is an invalid argument and a sad excuse to design a particular way. A ranger, an elite, doesn't care whether you can tell they are a female or a male. They are interested in getting the job done, and having the gear to do so. We gave Quinn that gear and did not embrace the traditional route of the tight-clothed standard fantasy ranger. She's a new ranger for a new time. She hits the Demacian notes but plays off of them. That is the rational behind similar armor themes to Garen and Jarvan. That's how we establish she's in the military proper, but not standard in uniform.

For reference, take a look ad Deunan Knute from Appleseed. She has no boob or breastplates. She is completely covered with a half-helm. She has short hair. She is a bit more masculine, that's the goal. She is not a waif, but she is agile. She has small breasts, a tighter frame, but is fairly androgynous. That's what we wanted to portray, and I feel we hit that.

Honestly, I feel I owe no excuses. You know my history, you know my goals. I design the women in armor. I do not design the over-sexualized, the seductress, or the siren. Different artists gravitate towards different styles and themes. When this champion came along, I opted to work on it because I felt I could bring a different take. Initially, she did start out as a traditional fantasy ranger, and actually was melee at the time. However, that was not the route we wanted to take. That was standard, it was conventional, and it was boring. I drove away from it and made something rugged in the new direction we're trying to take our style. Fantasy, but not traditional fantasy.

This is my take. If you don't like it that's perfectly fine. I, like all artists, design with particular design and form language as my signature. You might have noticed Zyra, Syndra and Elise were designed by the same artist. Sexy bodies, integrated clothing/biology, dark females. Same with artist for Nautilus, Ziggs and Lulu. Friendly shapes, opposing colors, offbeat characters. Just like game designers have similar flavor to their champions across the board artists have similar common expressions.

If you want a traditional archer, with a traditional fantasy get-up, with a traditional build, and a traditional design where female form expression trumps practically fighting the fight, I am not your guy, and I'm glad to admit that. That's my strength, that why I work on what I work on.

I do not abide by the established or the expected, neither does Riot on the whole. It is not our job to abide, it's our job to challenge the convention and question traditional execution.

Thanks for the feedback. Thanks for understanding where we're coming from. This isn't just me. This is part of something larger. Pendulums will swing, you'll get your stripped down heroes. Quinn is not one of them and we're proud of that.
Parrot.

I just wanted to let you know.

I love you.

Desu~


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Avalon Bright

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02-13-2013

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Ashe's minidress has literally nothing to do with her character, hope this helps. And Sejuani's visuals are not fine for a long list of reasons (and they wouldn't be fine in a desert environment, either).
Ashe has been my main ADC since I started playing this game years ago. I swear to god, "internet badass" or not, if they change my Ashe because of your whining I will hunt you down for ruining her for me. So help me god.


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chumbler

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02-13-2013

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Ashe has been my main ADC since I started playing this game years ago. I swear to god, "internet badass" or not, if they change my Ashe because of your whining I will hunt you down for ruining her for me. So help me god.
If changing her minidress to something actually not stupid ruins her for you, good. Keep on keepin' on, internet badass.


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ZeCanadian

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02-13-2013

She looks more like Talon and Vayne IMO... Hurr durr, bird on the shoulder = swain


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Avalon Bright

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If changing her minidress to something actually not stupid ruins her for you, good.
It really saddens me you're so ****ing blinded by this society's post-feminist bull**** you think a dress is so goddamn offensive.


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Adumu

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02-13-2013

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I don't think you're in the position to call other people mouthbreathing idiots when you apparently don't realize that people who actually live in arctic climates don't run around wearing bikinis all day. They actually, you know, make the sensible decision to wear heavy clothes that keep them alive.
And you don't seem to realize that this is VALORAN and RUNETERRA. Not Earth and Alaska/Antartica/wherever else is cold.

Our rules don't apply to their world unless it's convienient for Riot.

Also, Ashe survived a blizzard and had her hair bleached by it. That doesn't happen in our world, but in theirs it did. Likely through some sort of magic. She's probably resistant to cold since, y'know, she was in a snowstorm for hours on end and survived no worse for the wear.

Sejuani conjures a miniature blizzard, and infuses her weapon with ice magic to freeze her foes solid. I'd think she's pretty resistant to it aswell, and may dress how she does so people recognize her strength and the fact that she can wander around half naked and remain completely unaffected by freezing temperatures.

Tryndamere is a mystery to me, considering he has no innate ice abilities. But he can stay alive just because he refuses to die, so I'll just leave it be. He's too manly to get cold.


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Attica

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02-13-2013

I like her design and no one will think shes a guy once they actually play as her because of the in game sounds.