Anyone else a bit dissapointed with Quinn's design?

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Daemon

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02-13-2013

I really hope that all this whining doesn't delay her release because they have to make a new model.


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Lasac

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02-13-2013

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Originally Posted by IronStylus View Post
Some quick context:

Quinn used to be a guy, then I turned her into a woman. That woman is a ranger, she's prepared for a fight, she's wearing thicker armor but not plate aside from key places where she would have to interact with an enemy's face.

Quinn was not designed to be in a skin-tight outfit. That was tried, and look, again, like a woman with a cape, in a skin tight outfit, which had been worked to death by Zyra, Syndra, Elise, and Diana. She does not care about looking feminine, she cares about utility. Baggy fatigues which have hardened pockets, knee pads to dig into the ground to take a shot, no exposed flesh to take a graze.

A functional Demacian helmet which adds sleekness is a design choice. It's Valkyrie, it's a motif, and it's a visual landmark. She has a gauntlet reminiscent of a falconer's glove which is armored because Valor has armor on his talons, to again, interact with an enemy's face. He can do damage to even thick leather.

Her hood is collapsed, she has essentially a themed parka with a bird motif, Functional but themed.

She has what equates to kevlar, thickened material able to resist a blade. She has Demacian signifiers all over her, and bird motifs worked in. She is functional but fantasy.

Regarding femininity, I was called out long ago when Sejuani released for making the reasoning that Sejuani might wear less clothing so that "you can tell she's female." That is an invalid argument and a sad excuse to design a particular way. A ranger, an elite, doesn't care whether you can tell they are a female or a male. They are interested in getting the job done, and having the gear to do so. We gave Quinn that gear and did not embrace the traditional route of the tight-clothed standard fantasy ranger. She's a new ranger for a new time. She hits the Demacian notes but plays off of them. That is the rational behind similar armor themes to Garen and Jarvan. That's how we establish she's in the military proper, but not standard in uniform.

For reference, take a look ad Deunan Knute from Appleseed. She has no boob or breastplates. She is completely covered with a half-helm. She has short hair. She is a bit more masculine, that's the goal. She is not a waif, but she is agile. She has small breasts, a tighter frame, but is fairly androgynous. That's what we wanted to portray, and I feel we hit that.

Honestly, I feel I owe no excuses. You know my history, you know my goals. I design the women in armor. I do not design the over-sexualized, the seductress, or the siren. Different artists gravitate towards different styles and themes. When this champion came along, I opted to work on it because I felt I could bring a different take. Initially, she did start out as a traditional fantasy ranger, and actually was melee at the time. However, that was not the route we wanted to take. That was standard, it was conventional, and it was boring. I drove away from it and made something rugged in the new direction we're trying to take our style. Fantasy, but not traditional fantasy.

This is my take. If you don't like it that's perfectly fine. I, like all artists, design with particular design and form language as my signature. You might have noticed Zyra, Syndra and Elise were designed by the same artist. Sexy bodies, integrated clothing/biology, dark females. Same with artist for Nautilus, Ziggs and Lulu. Friendly shapes, opposing colors, offbeat characters. Just like game designers have similar flavor to their champions across the board artists have similar common expressions.

If you want a traditional archer, with a traditional fantasy get-up, with a traditional build, and a traditional design where female form expression trumps practically fighting the fight, I am not your guy, and I'm glad to admit that. That's my strength, that why I work on what I work on.

I do not abide by the established or the expected, neither does Riot on the whole. It is not our job to abide, it's our job to challenge the convention and question traditional execution.

Thanks for the feedback. Thanks for understanding where we're coming from. This isn't just me. This is part of something larger. Pendulums will swing, you'll get your stripped down heroes. Quinn is not one of them and we're proud of that.
I am enjoying the look from the preview. I am excited to see the splash art and in game model. I enjoy the sexy looking champions of league, and I am enjoying the work you do.

Side-note: Would be nice if we could zoom in-game to see the models in full.


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StonerSundays

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02-13-2013

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I really hope that all this whining doesn't delay her release because they have to make a new model.
I'd rather have a new model then this.


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Detahmaio

Senior Member

02-13-2013

Riot is going all

you mad bruh?

Well we did it so deal with it

We designed it this way and we like it kind of attitude and it's disgusting. There are females like leona that look like a female and get the job done. Being pretty doesn't mean you can't bad as in the process.

Like another summoner said I hope her kit is more interesting than her character design and I hope her second skin actually looks good.

Ps. Halo for example has spartans that are heavy armored and you can tell it's a female and it gets the job done. Also see gears of war female characters.


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Vanra

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02-13-2013

A for effort. Unfortunately the designers haven't realized that just covering women in armor doesn't make them any less sexualized if their armor is form-fitting over curvacious bodies.


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BACKSTABUUU

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02-13-2013

Is that.........a hawk shaped machine gun? WHY WOULD ANYONE BE DISAPPOINTED WITH THAT EVER?!?


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Daemon

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02-13-2013

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Originally Posted by StonerSundays View Post
I'd rather have a new model then this.
You do realize you're in the minority, right?

By minority, I mean less than 100 people are complaining out of millions of players. Heck, even the ones on the forums outnumber the whiners.

If reddit's post means anything, 73% of people like it. That percentage might be higher because of the automatic downvote system, but there is not a single complaint in the top comments.

If you really need a boob-tastic female ADC, you've got...well every female ADC except some of Vayne's skins and default.


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Kijitow

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02-13-2013

I don't understand the ironstylus downvotes...


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Avalon Bright

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02-13-2013

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I'd rather have a new model then this.
Agreed. I've been antsy as hell over the delay since Thresh but I'll wait as long as it takes if she got remodeled


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ChromeFalcon

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02-13-2013

You can whine all you want over her design but it's already done now.

Dont like it, dont buy it.

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Agreed. I've been antsy as hell over the delay since Thresh but I'll wait as long as it takes if she got remodeled
Not happening, too bad for you.