BotRK will never be worth buying unless you make it scale with crit

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Xela Syab

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02-01-2013

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Originally Posted by FreeGothitelle View Post
BotRK is for Jax, Udyr and Warwick.
Pretty much everyone else should ignore it...
It's one of those mid to late game jungle items that helps with larger jungle creeps and the active helps with ganking. With the new changes to the jungle and the high health of enemies like Nashor and dragon you do significant bonus damage right at the beginning of the fight and can outheal their damage.


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gigleith

Junior Member

02-01-2013

lol u call it botRK, im like just buy a BK :P and yeah it was meant to replace madreds blood razors, not for adc, lol


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Galgus

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02-01-2013

I already love it on AD Yi- the Active with his free AD can be a good clutch nuke/ heal and the slow/speed boost is invaluable to sticking to targets.


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Peligrad

Senior Member

02-01-2013

Yeah, solid item on AD Yi...now if only AD Yi and Fiora were viable picks at a competitive level.

But it's true, this item and ghostblade are the two strongest melee adc items in the game.


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Galgus

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02-01-2013

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Originally Posted by Peligrad View Post
Yeah, solid item on AD Yi...now if only AD Yi and Fiora were viable picks at a competitive level.

But it's true, this item and ghostblade are the two strongest melee adc items in the game.
I think that making Mercurial Scimitar a better counter to CC shutdown would make them more reliable picks in high level play.

I made a thread about it with the suggestion of making its active work like a one second Olaf ultimate.

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/....php?t=3035826


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Drinniol

Senior Member

02-01-2013

I edited the main post to add a point.

Also, yes, indeed BotRK is arguable decent when you build no crit, as some bruisers sometimes do. EXACTLY MY POINT. But when you have 55% crit with the IE crit buff as well, ALL your autoattack damage items (and lifesteal) is increased in effectiveness by 1.55 * 1.25 = 1.9375. That is, ALL your other damage increasing stats becoming twice as strong due to crit. Letting the BotRK proc scale with crit doesn't make it better than the other items - it just lets it KEEP UP.


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Autocthon

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02-01-2013

BotRK is good on bruisers. Primarily bruisers with less-than-great AD scalars.

See Shyvana.


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67chrome

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02-01-2013

I'm pretty sure BotRK was designed in such a way that it allows for a life steal option when you aren't scaling your damage with crit, from the Rioter posts I've seen on BotRK it was made with on-hit builds in mind. So basically all the champions that don't utalize critical strikes. Which is plenty of Bruisers as well as anyone who wants to go the on-hit rotue (Teemo, Kayle, Elise, Jax, Lulu, Irelia). The way BotRK works makes it more or less unreliant on AD scalers to grant you notable sustain, it just gives largely the same amount regardless of how many AD scalers you have so it reaches a point were it doesn't scale as well as other items fairly quickly.

Also, Infinity Edge is only core on AD carries that build critical strikes, and only the ranged ones. On melee ADCs or auto-attack based bruisers (Fiora, Yi, Tryndamere, Jax, Xin, Irelia, Nocturne, Olaf, etc.) you're better off going piecemeal crit more often than not by slowly building crit up with other useful stats (picking up things along the lines of Trinity Force, Youmuu's Ghostblade, and Atma's Impaler) rather than going full-glass cannon mode.

So no, BotRK isn't useless because it doesn't scale with crit. It just fills a different niche than what you desire using it for.


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Drinniol

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02-01-2013

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Originally Posted by 67chrome View Post
I'm pretty sure BotRK was designed in such a way that it allows for a life steal option when you aren't scaling your damage with crit, from the Rioter posts I've seen on BotRK it was made with on-hit builds in mind. So basically all the champions that don't utalize critical strikes. Which is plenty of Bruisers as well as anyone who wants to go the on-hit rotue (Teemo, Kayle, Elise, Jax, Lulu, Irelia). The way BotRK works makes it more or less unreliant on AD scalers to grant you notable sustain, it just gives largely the same amount regardless of how many AD scalers you have so it reaches a point were it doesn't scale as well as other items fairly quickly.

Also, Infinity Edge is only core on AD carries that build critical strikes, and only the ranged ones. On melee ADCs or auto-attack based bruisers (Fiora, Yi, Tryndamere, Jax, Xin, Irelia, Nocturne, Olaf, etc.) you're better off going piecemeal crit more often than not by slowly building crit up with other useful stats (picking up things along the lines of Trinity Force, Youmuu's Ghostblade, and Atma's Impaler) rather than going full-glass cannon mode.

So no, BotRK isn't useless because it doesn't scale with crit. It just fills a different niche than what you desire using it for.
Firstly you're dead wrong about over half the champs you list (Tryndamere? He can get 35% from his passive alone, you'd never take BotRK on him as it is now... Yi? Olaf? Jax?), but even if you were right consider this:

If BotRK is balanced but not overpowered compared to BT in the nocrit case, it will remains exactly proportionally powerful to BT if it is allowed to crit.

Look at it this way: Right now BT has base effectiveness x, and BotRK has base effectiveness y. x approximately equals y. But once you start getting some crit, BT = 1.3x and then 1.7x and then 2x or more. Meanwhile, BotRK stays at y. ALL allowing BotRK to crit would do is keep it on the same relative level as BT as it is when you have NO crit.


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jmlinden7

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02-02-2013

BotRK is not an ad carry item, ad carries don't build cutlass to begin with. It's for autoattacking bruiser champions with low (but existent) ad scalings and built-in attack speed steroids. It's very good on Nidalee (Q scales up to 3.0 with AD), Jax (Q and E scale), Tiger Udyr (Q scales 1.5 with AD), Nocturne (Q, R, and passive scale), Warwick (R scales 2.0, W gives huge attack speed).

The problem used to be that only ad carries could kill tanks at all. BotRK somewhat solves that by turning you into warwick, where you can kill any tank given enough time thanks to your sustain. It's not a burst item, it is an item for bruisers to duel tanks. If you are nidalee with teleport and you need to stop the 4k hp Shen from splitpushing, you get BotRK. That is an example of when you should buy it. The decision to not let it scale with crit indicates that ad carries should not build this item.


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