New League System in Ranked

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Anti1460

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01-21-2013

i agree with the guys here. i also sometimes dodge, and the only reason i do so is because someone is trolling cuz they didnt get the role they wanted even though they were 2nd to last or last pick. whats the point in playing a game u know ur gonna lose because someone picks a mid champ and locks in after someone else already locked in a mid champ. the trolling in this game is getting stupid. tonight alone i played like 4-5 games and 2-3 of them i had someone say "mid or trolling" or "top... well if you wont let me have top im trolling" i was 1213 at one point in season 3 and now im 1001 because of trolls (not all of it) but most of it. i had a 3 day run where i won 2 games out of maybe 20, because of ppl leaving the game or someone was trolling because they didnt get the role they wanted..

and they said it in champ selection that they are trolling cuz they know they cant get in trouble for it cuz if they are reported the chat in team selection wont be shown. i understand that has to be something to stop ppl from dodging but 90% of the ppl dodging right now are ppl that dont want to play a game cuz they know they are gonna lose because someone is trolling. also because of losing so much from that, i am now stuck in an elo that is so hard to get out of because i will have a good winning streak, and then my losing streak will be double that because im the only one on my team that didnt feed. (then my score looks bad cuz i died over and over cuz they were all so fed). in the last few weeks i cant tell you how many times i have lost having he only postive k/d ratio on my team.

now im afraid since even tho my highest elo is 1213, my current elo (1001) is gonna put me right back where i am now and im never gonna get out in the new system.

i honestly think there needs to be a certain amount of wins or something before someone can start a ranked game. theres too many ppl that are playing that shouldnt be. and because of this players like my who are unlucky enough to get those ppl on our teams more than 50% of the time end up losing so much elo and then become stuck in the low elo's and cant get out of it. i cant carry every game like the pros can, and sometimes even when i carry its hard to win cuz im still only one person. i can only stop 1 lane from getting fed and even if i do that most of the time the 2 other lanes feed and sometimes even the jungler does. so whatever lane im against ends up getting fed too cuz of the snowball effect.

i know alot of ppl say this and most ppl dont believe in elo hell, and theres ppl that say theres stats that say u should only get this % of loses to trolls or whatnot, but i seem to get on more crappy teams than the average joe. theres friends of mine that i can beat on a normal basis that are way higher elo then me because they are lucky enough to get more good teams than bad.

i mean honestly, how do you lose 300 elo in 3 days and have a postive score in 75% of those games and say nothing is wrong. hell take my kha scores as proof. my r/d/a ratio is 5.9 to 5.1 to 6.9 yet i am 2-8 record with him.


it just seems to me that this new ranking system is just putting a fresh coat of paint on the old one an calling it something better when its the same thing. how are ppl gonna move up that deserve to if they play well but just have worse luck than other ppl on getting a team that isnt bad. or more trolls on their team than the average person.


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ReViBot

Junior Member

01-21-2013

gtfo elo hell


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Negrojefe

Senior Member

01-21-2013

I dont think your elo should be hidden from you. I like to see if my matchmaking number is growing or lowering.

Is there any chance not to hide that, while keeping the league system? Just so you know your own matchmaking ranking (not shown to others).

I dont think its a good idea to hide information to players.


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Negrojefe

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01-21-2013

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Originally Posted by Yegg View Post
You're not just earning a "generic league badge". You still have tiers, divisions, and League Points to battle over as you progress through the system. You also get to compete on a ladder with a small grouping of other players, often which will include your friends, rather than being just a cog in a giant wheel of hundreds of thousands of opponents.

Give it a try and give us feedback though! We're aiming to have the league system on the PBE shortly.
Hiding your real number that determines who you are playing with is a bad idea.

Hide it to the rest if you want, but many of us want to see that number and is already bad enough that you dont show it in normals.

We want to know if we are playing against better players or not, we want to know if we are improving the level of players we are playing with. We want to know if the last 5 games we won is because we improved in our gameplay or just because we dropped to a worse competitors place.

Dont hide information from us, that is not good. It is OUR MMR, we deserve to see it.


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RoyyusGirl

Junior Member

01-21-2013

Why not have a Bo3/5 when you are at the bottom of your tier? Or like when you have been there for a certain amount of games. I think those games could become good cause people might troll less in them when theres more in stake...


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Ziramond

Senior Member

01-21-2013

So....basically.....from the way i understand this, nothing is really changing other than the way we view the ladder. You will still get matched with the same people you have been being matched with, you will still require more wins than loses in order to move up, and you will still get trolls and bad players in those games to screw you over.

The only real difference is that in order to go from silver to gold you have to win a best of 5 series in order to advance, which is again based on the same people you have been grouped with and will still contain trolls and bad players to screw you over.

People, if you are here asking question about this because you think this is going to help you get more "ELO" or move to a higher tier faster, this is not the fix you are looking for. This update is only putting a shiny new package on the old ladder. The same flawed matchmaking system that is actually helping to keep those few players who are actually better than their ELO or TIER says they are, is not changing. In fact, if anything this is going to make your solo queue woes even worse because once you have gone through the horror of attaining 100 League Points, you now have to win 2 out of the next 3, or 3 out of the next 5 in order to even advance up at all. They trivialize this by making it seem like a badass thing...........that it really isn't because if you happen to get trolls or bads the next 2-3 games, then you get knocked back down and have to start the whole process over again, man that sounds exhilarating.

Now i know it sounds like i'm belittling all the work that Riot is putting into this and in a way i am, but there is no other way to say it. From the responses i've seen, no one seemed to have a problem on the old ladder really, the big issue is the matchmaking system, which isn't getting addressed, but i know a lot of you are thinking that this is that fix and its not.


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AGeezy

Member

01-21-2013

When is this supposed to be implemented?


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Negrojefe

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01-21-2013

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Originally Posted by Ziramond View Post
So....basically.....from the way i understand this, nothing is really changing other than the way we view the ladder. You will still get matched with the same people you have been being matched with, you will still require more wins than loses in order to move up, and you will still get trolls and bad players in those games to screw you over.

The only real difference is that in order to go from silver to gold you have to win a best of 5 series in order to advance, which is again based on the same people you have been grouped with and will still contain trolls and bad players to screw you over.

People, if you are here asking question about this because you think this is going to help you get more "ELO" or move to a higher tier faster, this is not the fix you are looking for. This update is only putting a shiny new package on the old ladder. The same flawed matchmaking system that is actually helping to keep those few players who are actually better than their ELO or TIER says they are, is not changing. In fact, if anything this is going to make your solo queue woes even worse because once you have gone through the horror of attaining 100 League Points, you now have to win 2 out of the next 3, or 3 out of the next 5 in order to even advance up at all. They trivialize this by making it seem like a badass thing...........that it really isn't because if you happen to get trolls or bads the next 2-3 games, then you get knocked back down and have to start the whole process over again, man that sounds exhilarating.

Now i know it sounds like i'm belittling all the work that Riot is putting into this and in a way i am, but there is no other way to say it. From the responses i've seen, no one seemed to have a problem on the old ladder really, the big issue is the matchmaking system, which isn't getting addressed, but i know a lot of you are thinking that this is that fix and its not.
There is another difference. You will have no way to determine the level of players you are queued with, since you wont be able to see the real stat thatd ertemine the matchmaking.

You will just see a silver, gold, deiamond and a number that really doesnt determine anything, they are just visuals.

So we lose information (the number that determines the matchmaking) and we get a new visual that doesnt mean anything really.

They can implement this league system and all the visuals they want, but i will NEVER support them taking information away from us.

If they show our elo number, then i have no quarries on the change, but since the proposal is to hide our matchmaking number, i am against this change.


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Riderman10

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01-21-2013

watch my video in you tube pls! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOmYqIa7qMc


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Alabugin

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01-21-2013

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Originally Posted by NoirTheBlack View Post
Hope so. I just wish i wouldnt be matched with unrankeds at 1200 elo as it happened before

I feel really positive about those changes.
It seems with this new system that will not be happening anymore!! This is wonderful honestly.