RlOT IS NERFING TALON?!

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Squeeeee

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12-20-2012

the ability rarely glitched btw, not a buff


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AHeroNamedHawke1

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12-20-2012

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Originally Posted by Tekshi View Post
What makes you think

"He's finally going to be dealing more damage. Man maybe these nerfs that we had planned before he's getting more damage aren't right."

And they're testing them out at the same time.
So they're going to buff his damage and nerf his damage at the same time to test how his damage changes

k


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Thane Soren

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12-20-2012

How is a bug fix a buff?

And how is this compensation for destroying his damage...

He can only build 1 stat

And he can only do 1 type of damage

Did you take this into consideration while nerfing him?


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Tekshi

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12-20-2012

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So they're going to buff his damage and nerf his damage at the same time to test how his damage changes

k
Are you advocating the Talon nerfs or not? You're confusing me here.


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UnsafeNormal

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12-20-2012

Talon is still incredibly powerful even with the BC nerfs.

I feel it's justified


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cLo

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12-20-2012

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As a closing note here, there is a buff to Talon that is impossible for the dataminers to get to. We are fixing a bug where the damage amplification from Cutthroat was not actually working.

Bug fix =/= buff.

There better be more then just that fix. Because even if Cutthroat now "works" the other nerfs still completely wreck his mid game.


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King Reedwise

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12-20-2012

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No, we have no intention of making Talon unviable, we're simply looking to find a balance for him in the context of Season 3.

The reality is that many of our AD casters were tuned to a state where they could exist in Season 2 with extremely poor itemization that was non-ideal for them.

We now created an environment where they have legitimate optimal item paths and the numbers are now out of balance.

The question to ask ourselves is if Black Cleaver is still too strong for AD Carries like MF or Graves. If we were to nerf Black Cleaver, it may become impossible to even think of building it on non AD Casters.

Looking at any strong item with above 3000+ gold cost will show a high win rate because if you have the resources to buy an item of this tier, you are most likely ahead in the first place. Items are not only an indicator of your future success but also a reflection of your past success. Any decently strong high tier item should statistically look and feel "overpowered."

As a closing note here, there is a buff to Talon that is impossible for the dataminers to get to. We are fixing a bug where the damage amplification from Cutthroat was not actually working.
How hard is it to follow a simple formula? The ratios for most champions with similar skillsets should be about the same, no? I'm not trying to tell you how to do your job, because I know it is more complex than that. It just seems silly to nerf a champion because of an item(which is exactly what happened) even though that champion has never really been in the spotlight, which is only due to his ratios in the first place.

It is really uninspiring gameplay when a champion is only good or bad because of the numbers that pop up when he hits you. Like Rengar, Jayce, etc. These champions are only good or cool when they do a lot of damage. Otherwise they're just another champion with an auto attack passive, like what.. 55% of all champions in the game?

I don't even play Talon, but you guys said you were gonna watch this stuff like hawks and leaving that Black Cleaver in the game for that long was a mistake, plain and simple. It worries me that a champion could go from bottom of the pack to nerfed in 4 weeks time simply because one item was way too good for 2 of those weeks. Surely you understand why players would feel like that didn't make sense.


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Thane Soren

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12-20-2012

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So they're going to buff his damage and nerf his damage at the same time to test how his damage changes

k
Just ignore him Hawke, he's dumb


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Zerglinator

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12-20-2012

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Just ignore him Hawke, he's dumb
So are you.


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FlamingFrostbite

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12-20-2012

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How is a bug fix a buff?

And how is this compensation for destroying his damage...

He can only build 1 stat

And he can only do 1 type of damage

Did you take this into consideration while nerfing him?
How is a bug fix a buff? Rumble.
Edit: Also this nerf is hardly doing anything. What they took 20 damage off? Talon already ripped threw squishies