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Originally Posted by

**roskosp33**
1st 11% with 100% win ratio

2cd 5% someone dodged this game

3rd 17% with 33% win ratio

4th 41% with 20% win ratio

5th 26% with 33% win ratio

I actually don't understand the percentages. How many total games is this and how many times did you end up in each position? This isn't 20 games. If it were, each percentages would be a multiple of 5 or 10 exactly.

Is this out of 21 (counting that dodge) and you rounded?

That would mean you were first twice, second once, third three times, fourth eight times, and fifth five times? Is this accurate?

The sample size is still on the small end (even though it's exactly what I asked you to do). I just figured something as simple as pick order would've been a lot more balanced, so I'm surprised.

Here's what I'd like to do roskosp33, if it's not too much to ask. Can you keep recording this data and post an update every 20 games or so? The results will become more and more accurate as you add more data. And if after a sufficiently large sample size of data, if it's still proving your assumption correct, then I'm stumped and we need to get a red in here to perhaps explain what is going on.

With that said, in terms of what seems to be your main concern--Elo, here's a few tips in the meantime. Try requesting a carry role. You're actually 4th pick more often than any other role, and by your data, you're more likely to be pick 1-3 (not any individual, just overall) then you are to be 5th pick. And 5th pick is the only spot where you have absolutely zero say in your role and are forced to support. Yet you had a higher win percentage from 5th pick than from 4th pick.

If you request say ADC or mid from 4th pick, maybe 3rd pick gets mad and decides he's going to pick it anyway--in which case you just pick support or whatever else you would have been stuck with anyway. Or maybe 3rd pick just dodges. And if you're already 4th or 5th pick, if someone else in the lobby dodges, you get a free chance at being a higher pick.

I'm certainly very interested in this thread and willing to have an ongoing conversation about what is going on here as long as you're willing to keep recording the data and sharing it with us.

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Originally Posted by

**LogicalTautology**
Solo Queue or Duo?

If he's doing what I asked, this data is strictly solo-queue.