Loading Border Should Be Based on Queue

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Char

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11-15-2012

Agreed.

On a side note, it seems like people tend to forget that when it comes to playing on a ranked team you face opponents on equal ground with your team. It's not solo queue where the majority of the time it's based on luck, where there's a great lack of communication and synergy, where the deciding factor is usually based on feeders/trolls/ragers/leavers/afkers.

No. You're playing against a team with just as much communication with you, a common strategy, knowledge of each others' strengths and weaknesses and, most importantly, lacks all the detrimental aspects found in solo queue.

You know all those players on pro teams? The majority of them, if not all of them, don't take solo queue that seriously. They take their ranked team far more seriously than solo queue. And that's how it should be. League IS a team game after all, yet people who play ranked teams (3v3s and 5v5s) are looked down on? Okay.


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Alumenlux

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11-15-2012

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In ranked 3s/normal 3s loading screens, ranked 3s border should be shown

In normal games/solo q games/ranked 5s games, the border shown should be the highest of solo q/ranked 5s.

If you're diamond in ranked 5s, intuition dictates that you deserve to have a border shown in normals/solo q and vice versa. Obviously there's a distinction between the two but ultimately it's the exact same map. My 2 cents =]
bump/shameless reiteration


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Yegg

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11-15-2012
2 of 2 Riot Posts

Let me first say that the current implementation of the loading screen borders is an experiment, and I'm willing to change how they work if and when I'm convinced that it would be better for the health of the game. What does "health of the game" mean in this case? A couple things:

1. You guys want to show off your accomplishments with your best foot forward. I hear that and it definitely weighs into the decision. Some of you also feel like we didn't give you enough warning on how the borders would work, which is a fair point. We should have locked down how they would work earlier and let you know in the original announcement.

2. I want there to be less toxicity in the game. There are reports of players using the borders as an excuse to belittle other players. The question here is: would those players have been toxic anyway and it's just taking a slightly different form? Or is it creating toxicity where there wouldn't have been any? I'll be looking over the data in the coming days to start to make that distinction.

Some people are saying that this is an example of Riot shunning competitive 5s or indicating that Ranked Teams aren't as important as the Ranked Solo queue. That's simply not the case. I'm one of the biggest advocates for Ranked Teams in the entire company. Since I've been at Riot we've seen huge increases in the popularity of Ranked Teams, and we're only just getting started. The Season 3 Path to Pro that the eSports team put together is a great example of this. Did you know that you can eventually qualify for the Season 3 Championship Series just by making it to the top 32 of the Ranked 5s ladder during the preseason? I don't think a lot of people realize yet just how big of a deal that is. This means you play League of Legends professionally, receive a salary, play in a season with weekly scheduled matches, and compete for millions of dollars.

However, as much as I like Ranked Teams, it's a fact that doing well in those queues is as much about who you know as it is about your own individual skill. And generally I'm totally okay with that. I'm fine with people showing off their Platinum and Diamond badges on the forums even if they might not have been able to achieve that in solo queue (yes, even Morello). But when it comes to the loading screen, I'm much more concerned about the accuracy of what's being portrayed, because it's natural to read a lot into it in terms of raw player skill. Is it really better for everyone if we have Diamond borders showing up next to Silver borders in normal games? I think it would be confusing ("Why am I matched with these Diamond players if I'm Silver?" or "I don't play ranked, does this mean I'm a Silver player or a Diamond player?") and I think it could cause even more elitism than we're already seeing.

Going back to the point about the borders being an experiment. Originally, they were only going to be shown in Ranked games. You all asked for them to be shown in normals as well and after much deliberation I changed it to the current incarnation. Clearly not everyone is happy with that, so I'll keep gathering data and reading what you guys have to say, and make further changes if and when they're warranted.


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nerdydino

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11-15-2012

i think you should be able to turn it off and on, for example if your gold tier icon is selected then your gold banner would appear.


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iainB85

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11-15-2012

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Originally Posted by Yegg View Post
Let me first say that the current implementation of the loading screen borders is an experiment, and I'm willing to change how they work if and when I'm convinced that it would be better for the health of the game. What does "health of the game" mean in this case? A couple things:

1. You guys want to show off your accomplishments with your best foot forward. I hear that and it definitely weighs into the decision. Some of you also feel like we didn't give you enough warning on how the borders would work, which is a fair point. We should have locked down how they would work earlier and let you know in the original announcement.

2. I want there to be less toxicity in the game. There are reports of players using the borders as an excuse to belittle other players. The question here is: would those players have been toxic anyway and it's just taking a slightly different form? Or is it creating toxicity where there wouldn't have been any? I'll be looking over the data in the coming days to start to make that distinction.

Some people are saying that this is an example of Riot shunning competitive 5s or indicating that Ranked Teams aren't as important as the Ranked Solo queue. That's simply not the case. I'm one of the biggest advocates for Ranked Teams in the entire company. Since I've been at Riot we've seen huge increases in the popularity of Ranked Teams, and we're only just getting started. The Season 3 Path to Pro that the eSports team put together is a great example of this. Did you know that you can eventually qualify for the Season 3 Championship Series just by making it to the top 32 of the Ranked 5s ladder during the preseason? I don't think a lot of people realize yet just how big of a deal that is. This means you play League of Legends professionally, receive a salary, play in a season with weekly scheduled matches, and compete for millions of dollars.

However, as much as I like Ranked Teams, it's a fact that doing well in those queues is as much about who you know as it is about your own individual skill. And generally I'm totally okay with that. I'm fine with people showing off their Platinum and Diamond badges on the forums even if they might not have been able to achieve that in solo queue (yes, even Morello). But when it comes to the loading screen, I'm much more concerned about the accuracy of what's being portrayed, because it's natural to read a lot into it in terms of raw player skill. Is it really better for everyone if we have Diamond borders showing up next to Silver borders in normal games? I think it would be confusing ("Why am I matched with these Diamond players if I'm Silver?" or "I don't play ranked, does this mean I'm a Silver player or a Diamond player?") and I think it could cause even more elitism than we're already seeing.

Going back to the point about the borders being an experiment. Originally, they were only going to be shown in Ranked games. You all asked for them to be shown in normals as well and after much deliberation I changed it to the current incarnation. Clearly not everyone is happy with that, so I'll keep gathering data and reading what you guys have to say, and make further changes if and when they're warranted.
I'm currently doing pretty good in placement matches, and have found my silver border to be a huge hindrance to my gameplay experience -- so much so that I wish I could just turn it off and have nothing. I've received a ton of flack from gold/platinum players that I am going to ruin the game, and one person went as far as to say "GG SILVER RATED NEWB IS OUR MID NOT WORTH PLAYING" and afk'd on me.

The fact that this stigma will be placed on me ALL SEASON as far as I can tell, when the seasons are so long, is very disheartening.


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Skades

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11-15-2012

do I have gold forum badge yet.
Nope: bump.


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Dr Rick Santorum

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11-15-2012

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Wouldn't an optional toggle be the best decision?


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Bekkal

Senior Member

11-15-2012

I don't understand why you wouldn't just report a player who is harassing you and move on?

I'm not too keen on losing my spiffy border just because somebody is being a d-bag and other people aren't reporting them.


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PauIifer

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11-15-2012

I think they should be kept. Just voicing my opinion.


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ELOGAHMAS

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11-15-2012

Its a reward. That reward is what many of us pushed so hard for in the end. I dont care if you think road kill can get Gold or not. I personally last season was proud to get bronze. To get silver and Gold this season means I am far from great, but at least Im improving. I pushed hard for my banners, and wold like them to properly reflect them in the que I play in. If Im in 3s.. show 3s Border, solo and 5s as well. They should reflect that. As far as abuse and people flaming, they will do that no matter what. Not fair to those of us that dont flame and would like to be reflected for our achievements or lack there of.