why do supports get boned every big patch?

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Pika Fox

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11-12-2012

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Originally Posted by BeastBox View Post
Not sure what AP has to do with peeling. But like I said, we'll have to agree to disagree.
Because Zyra is still an AP carry and her ult will actually do damage with AP? :3


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BeastBox

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11-12-2012

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Because Zyra is still an AP carry and her ult will actually do damage with AP? :3
*glances at the respective base damage and ratios on their ults*

Um, yeah. Big difference. Seriously, we're probably done here. Have a good evening.


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thumbnail9

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11-12-2012

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Umm.. sighstone? You'll "gain" more money overall with a sightstone than a HoG. Plus it upgrades into something. No more ward spot waste. It's a big buff.
Except its only two wards on the field at a time so prepare to still waste a slot, mauwhahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahha hahaha


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할배님

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11-12-2012

cuz supports suck


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do work56

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11-12-2012

better nerf sona


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Xyltin

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11-13-2012

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HoG removal...all squishy supports now have to wait til 15 mins to build hp since they're first 2 items will be kages and philo stone.


better nerf sona
If you read the information close enough, you would know that there will be an item like this:
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Sightstone (650 Gold)
+125 Health
Unique Passive - Refresh (Ward) : Starts with 4 charges and refills each time you stop by your shop.
Unique Active - Ghost Ward: Consumes a charge to place an invisible ward that reveals the surrounding area for 3 minutes. You may have a maximum of 2 wards from this item at once.
It gives less HP, but is also cheaper.
It produces overall more gold than HoG, but is more limited to certain roles (support and maybe jungler).
This item can also be upgraded to a better version.

Philo will get more upgrade paths. One doesn't remove the g/10 generation.

These alone are 2 pretty good buffs to supports that make the playstyle more enjoiyable (don't have to buy wards all the time) and also more impactful (but a lot of pro players in Korea already said they think support is the most important role in a team and has the biggest impact on the game).


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Morello

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11-13-2012
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Xypherous and I talked about this a lot in the itemization preview thread. Look there for more details.


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Xyltin

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11-13-2012

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In higgher level plays, a mere 10 or so movespeed can save your life. Calling sonas movespeed buff **** means you undervalue it significantly, like most sona players do.

Jannas tornado is much wider than Zyras snare. She also has a slow. Nunu has a more powerful slow that is an automatic hit as well as a movespeed buff. Taric can also heal, and gives resistances. Zyra has one effective non ult peal, which is a snare that ends up being single target unless they group close. Thats the main difference. She has one defensive capable spell, where as the others have at least one peel while also bringing other ways to keep their carry alive as well.
Her E is pretty wide (looks smaller than it actually is).
It is also pretty easy to hit nad her W allows you to scout without wards.
As long as her ult is up, it is pretty hard to gank her.

Morello already said that they are working on/looking into her.
Why? Cause she can bring and ADC down to 50% alone with hitting one E and following up the whole combo (without the ult). And that at 800+ range (no chance to strike back). And on top of that, her combo is pretty cheap.
Zyra is the best support in the game ATM. That is something the best players in the world seem to think.

Sonas E is not bad. But it provides no real early game advantage.
Q is better for offensive play.
W is better for defensive play.
E is good for both, if your ADC is already strong enough. But early game, the ADC is pretty weak and the support is the important factor in the lane. So E is pretty useless offesnive early on and W is better defensive (the heal + Armor/MR safes your ADC way better than the E; E only helps when you get into a situation where you shoulnd't have been - Now wards and the enemy came close).


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General Ayla

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11-13-2012

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Xypherous and I talked about this a lot in the itemization preview thread. Look there for more details.
Everyone knows that Morello cant do SHlT other than SUCK DIK


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GreenThunda

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11-13-2012

Oh look. Another "Riot why you hate supports" thread even though every class gets nerfed just as much.

Junglers need HoG more than supports tbh, Top lane makes decent use of also

ADC's lost Elixir of Agility, the only elixir they really want late game.

but no, only supports ever get boned. Lets ignore that over time more support items have been made than ADC items, ADC items have taken more nerfs than support items (remember old LW? Yeah it was better than any old support item thats gotten nerfed). Supports are also getting a ward item to replace HoG. Top lane wont build this, and jungle probably not either.

Literally every night on GD "Riot y u hate support"

They don't, quit trying to be a victim.