If Darius is balanced

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CaptainMĂ„rvelous

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11-08-2012

I think if you swapped the Cooldowns on their ults, everything would be right with the world.

Garen- Shorter CDR but always is gonna be on CD
Darius- Longer CD but you can refresh it.


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KingDinger

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11-08-2012

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Originally Posted by Proto Waffles View Post
because just because they both have a single target execute that means they need to be in complete balance with each other?

well i guess next we should make elise's skill shot stun thing scale with range like nids spears.
because they are similar how? what? ranged THING. so ez Q and W should stun like elise ranged stun. lux ult should also stun and do more damage at the very tip. nid pounce should give her 1 sec invis like vayne tumble because she has to ult to do the pounce.


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Fubby3

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11-08-2012

I forgot darius has a huge AoE DPS and a large movespeed buff and high sustain and has a built in cleanse.


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KingDinger

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11-08-2012

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I forgot darius has a huge AoE DPS and a large movespeed buff and high sustain and has a built in cleanse.
garen is alistar now?


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alpha quail

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11-08-2012

Kat gets revamped
Community: "WTF she's terrible now LOLNEWEVETIER"
Scarra/Tien and a few others use her for shets
Community: "Well she was obviously OP from the start doing that much damage with resetting, even an idiot could see that"

Just wait for someone to actually pick up Garen and the QQ to begin anew.

Garen is pretty dope now, he beats a good deal of top laners as is and with itemization he'll be a force lategame too. Even now he's one of the best diving bruisers in the game. Even if he gets focused he's still VERY bulky making it a bad idea, and his damage is both high and he rolls a pretty wicked execute.

e.g you soft cc him and he just boosts out of your slow.
you hard cc him but he has cc reduction and you just wasted your hard cc on a pseudo tank
you don't cc him and he unloads over 4.0ad scaling on your ad/ap carry and finishes with a wicked execute.



He's actually not that bad, he just has problems with the usual scumbag tops like nid, yorick, teemo, and kayle. Put him against champs like voli, irelia, darius, etc. and he gets a pretty easy lane win.


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Bhargo

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11-08-2012

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Originally Posted by Skyluin View Post
Garen is for defense orientated and darius is more offense orientated. dar also sucks if you have high armour because he needs his ult to last hit to hit with it again. you do have to play smart versus dar early on tho because hes is one hell of a snowballer.
Well, seeing as he has passive armor pen and his ulti does true damage, Darius couldn't care less about armor.

But as people have been saying, Garen is more defensive then Darius, he is meant to be more tanky, while Darius turns into a glass cannon.


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Jamaree

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11-08-2012

You know, for all the people who compare Garen to Darius, it is obvious that you don't look at the numbers, if you take noticed, every single one of Garen's base stats except armor are better then Darius except armor, but because of Garen's passive W, he gets more armor. Garen's moves all outscale Darius, his spin does more damage end game, his Q does more damage then his W, and in theory, Garen's ultimate does more damage then Darius until he has two stacks of his passive.


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Prowess

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11-08-2012

I personally think Garen is strong.

There needs to be tweaks on his ult though. It's very strong level 6 but that's it, it's completely underwhelming throughout the rest of the game.


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steadytrollin

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11-08-2012

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Then Garen needs a buff. There, I said something everyone knows.
No one played Garen for months, Riot reworked him and... still no one plays him. Maybe the rework was good, but Riot also released Garen's better version in the meantime.

Theoretically, you should pick Garen when your team needs bruiser with nice AoE dmg, a bit of CC and strong single target execution move. But hey, Darius does all those things, but better.
New blackcleaver will make Garen alot stronger


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KevinDelMarr

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11-08-2012

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You know, for all the people who compare Garen to Darius, it is obvious that you don't look at the numbers, if you take noticed, every single one of Garen's base stats except armor are better then Darius except armor, but because of Garen's passive W, he gets more armor. Garen's moves all outscale Darius, his spin does more damage end game, his Q does more damage then his W, and in theory, Garen's ultimate does more damage then Darius until he has two stacks of his passive.
But Darius has his passive. Over several engagements Garen loses at least a health pot worth of hp just by the passive.