There will never be a champion of African descent in LoL.

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Killercroissants

Junior Member

10-22-2012

Look people, you're all coming off as a bit stupid right now. This has nothing to do with the original post.

From an anthropological standpoint, race is an irrelevancy. This is just a simple fact. So in that respect, making a "black" champion is kind of emphasizing something that isn't true.

However, skin colour variants are very real. As long as society continues to establish a label with a skin colour, it is necessary to acknowledge the skin colour first, and then reinforce the idea that there's nothing wrong with being darker, lighter, etc. I think we should have darker skinned champions alongside more pale champions. Reason being we have to encapsulate diversity if we are to be fair to demographics. People are different colours, it's going to happen. And none of you can deny that there haven't already been attempts to create diversity when you have champions like Lee Sin, Zin Zhao, and all the Yordles. Hell, there's even age variations: See Zilean and Annie.

What is skin colour? It's an adaptive feature for populations generally adjacent to the equator for protection against harmful UV rays from the sun. The darker the skin, the less likely you are to absorb it as intensely. That's why darker skinned people get sunburns at a significantly less frequent rate than their pale skinned counter parts. We can all acknowledge the existence of a desert from where Malzahar and Nasus come. And let's combine this with the Riot-enforced notion of a drought champion being in the works. Perfect for anyone coming from the Shurima Desert. Let's combine the ideas!

Furthermore...to the guy who said he studied psychology. You clearly aren't majoring in it since what you're talking about is the Freudian Subconscious. In short: if you ever tried to suggest that in an academic setting (i.e., about their nefarious subconscious thoughts) you would be laughed out the door and called a fake =D

<3 Killercroissants.


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Evanni

Member

10-22-2012

Black-skinned champs could be from the Shurima Desert.


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Eserine

Senior Member

10-22-2012

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In a true intellectual's world there are no skin colors. Just people.

The OP begins this thread with non-relevant semantic nitpicking about terminology and then progresses into pseudoscientific (or fake science) reasoning about ethnicity, and then terrible ideological justifications for the current design of the game, all the while gaining vote and post support from those who do not want further racial representation within the gameworld. He is not a "true intellectual" in any sense of the word, and I will now explain why:


When players ask for a "African champion" what they mean (clearly) is a champion that has similarity in feature to humans of African heritage. Claiming that there is no "Africa" is extremely short-sighted and bizarre. The lore mentions that there once were a number of continents before the two (or five?) Rune Wars took place and left Valoran and some islands as the smoking craters of a former planet. Any number of zones could have had significant UV exposure, which is the cause of the evolutionary adaptation of melanin, NOT climate or temperature. Anyone in Demacia or Noxus or any of the other city states could be a descendent of these people who may have migrated en masse to Valoran after the cataclysms, or indeed lived there in a continent zone this entire time parallel to the citizens of European and Asian similarity, since there are many areas on the map that have not been described or shown to players in any detail. Furthermore three times already new races and people have been introduced out of nowhere. There was no Atlantis, and then suddenly: Fizz. There were no underground crystal scorpions and then out of nowhere: Skarner, there was no lost magical Caucasian desert city and then, behold! Zilean.

Beyond simply requesting darker-skinned champions for "affirmative action" purposes, players frequently cite specific champions of race that they would like included as reference in the game (Blade, John Henry, Afro Samurai etc. etc.) just as Lady Gaga was incorporated into Diana's design and Tidehunter and Bioshock were referenced with Nautilus. Secondly the incorporation of champions of different ethnicities better supports the premise of mythological, ultimate, panglobal war (Medusa, Leonidas, the Monkey King, Anubis, etc.), as well as the historical time-period of medieval Europe where there were indeed black people (http://www.playahata.com/pages/morph...ackknight.html), thirdly it might encourage more new players to enter the gameworld who are currently not interested in the game because it looks as though Riot is building a whites-only fantasy world just as Tolkien did and Blizzard did in making Warcraft (where the dimwitted, primitive, and savage orcs with broad noses and tribal jewellery are the closest present approximation), as well as cut down on the omni-prevalent racism demonstrated by players emboldened by the idea that Riot doesn't like U.S. minority groups any more than they do given the current hero roster.

When people claim that "true non-racists don't see skin color" they are misrepresenting the position of individuals who are non-racist. The fully-completed thought might be written as "In a world where there are multiple ethnicities, true non-racists do not treat people of any ethnicity differently then they do people of their own ethnicity". Why is this an important distinction? Many people live in cities, towns, or social spheres where there are not multiple ethnicities, the live in a world of racial purity where they never need interact with people who do not look like them. Likewise Runeterra was shaped not to have champions of similarity to Native American, Hispanic, or African people, so "not seeing" this conspicuous omission (or the omission in many books, games, and movies http://www.cracked.com/article_19549...ery-movie.html) does not mean that you are some sort of wise and enlightened sage of progressive morality.

Are racial groups just too easily offended to include such characters in the game universe? Bone-in-the-nose, superstitious, uneducated savage witchdoctors who have no social skills or ability to speak properly are certainly angrily looked upon when they are constantly incorporated as the only representation of African culture. Yet in arguing that players of race are too "crybaby" to handle any character incorporated with similar physical features implemented into a cohesive and interesting portrayal (especially beyond a single token character) is an offensive depiction of the black gaming community (or those of any other race). Black players are just as capable of being loyal to Riot and defending them from criticism if they make new champions as Caucasian players are.


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chumbler

Senior Member

10-22-2012

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Originally Posted by Eserine View Post
The OP begins this thread with non-relevant semantic nitpicking about terminology and then progresses into pseudoscientific (or fake science) reasoning about ethnicity, and then terrible ideological justifications for the current design of the game, all the while gaining vote and post support from those who do not want further racial representation within the gameworld. He is not a "true intellectual" in any sense of the word, and I will now explain why:


When players ask for a "African champion" what they mean (clearly) is a champion that has similarity in feature to humans of African heritage. Claiming that there is no "Africa" is extremely short-sighted and bizarre. The lore mentions that there once were a number of continents before the two Rune Wars took place and left Valoran and some islands as the smoking craters of a former planet. Any number of zones could have had significant UV exposure, which is the cause of the evolutionary adaptation of melanin, NOT climate or temperature. Anyone in Demacia or Noxus or any of the other city states could be a descendent of these people who may have migrated en masse to Valoran after the cataclysms, or indeed lived there in a continent zone this entire time parallel to the citizens of European and Asian similarity, since there are many areas on the map that have not been described or shown to players in any detail. Furthermore three times already new races and people have been introduced out of nowhere. There was no Atlantis, and then suddenly: Ziggs. There were no underground crystal scorpions and then out of nowhere: Skarner, there was no lost magical Caucasian desert city and then, behold! Zilean.

Beyond simply requesting darker-skinned champions for "affirmative action" purposes, players frequently cite specific champions of race that they would like included as reference in the game (Blade, John Henry, Afro Samurai etc. etc.) just as Lady Gaga was incorporated into Diana's design and Tidehunter and Bioshock were referenced with Nautilus. Secondly the incorporation of champions of different ethnicities better supports the premise of mythological, ultimate, panglobal war (Medusa, Leonidas, the Monkey King, Anubis, etc.), as well as the historical time-period of medieval Europe where there were indeed black people (http://www.playahata.com/pages/morpheus/blackknight.html), thirdly it might encourage more new players to enter the gameworld who are currently not interested in the game because it looks as though Riot is building a whites-only fantasy world just as Tolkien did and Blizzard did in making Warcraft (where the dimwitted, primitive, and savage orcs with broad noses and tribal jewellery are the closest present approximation), as well as cut down on the omni-prevalent racism demonstrated by players emboldened by the idea that Riot doesn't like U.S. minority groups any more than they do given the current hero roster.

When people claim that "true non-racists don't see skin color" they are misrepresenting the position of individuals who are non-racist. The fully-completed thought might be written as "In a world where there are multiple ethnicities, true non-racists do not treat people of any ethnicity differently then they do people of their own ethnicity". Why is this an important distinction? Many people live in cities, towns, or social spheres where there are not multiple ethnicities, the live in a world of racial purity where they never need interact with people who do not look like them. Likewise Runeterra was shaped not to have champions of similarity to Native American, Hispanic, or African people, so "not seeing" this conspicuous omission (or the omission in many books, games, and movies http://www.cracked.com/article_19549_5-old-timey-prejudices-that-still-show-up-in-every-movie.html) does not mean that you are some sort of wise and enlightened sage of progressive morality.

Are racial groups just to easily offended to include such characters in the game universe? Bone-in-the-nose, superstitious, uneducated savage witchdoctors who have no social skills or ability to speak properly are certainly angrily looked upon when they are constantly incorporated as the only representation of African culture. Yet in arguing that players of race are too "crybaby" to handle any character incorporated with similar physical features implemented into a cohesive and interesting portrayal (especially beyond a single token character) is an offensive depiction of the black gaming community (or those of any other race). Black players are just as capable of being loyal to Riot and defending them from criticism if they make new champions as Caucasian players are.
This is a fantastic post.


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2ofSpades

Senior Member

10-22-2012

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all the while gaining vote and post support from those who do not want further racial representation within the gameworld.
Who said that they didn't want more variety in champions? The point of this thread is that there isn't a place called Africa in the known LoL universe.


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Henslayer

Senior Member

10-22-2012

Add black champs. Don't add them. Either way, none of our lives will change. Knock it off with this ****


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Kraemer

Senior Member

10-22-2012

Why does race even matter? It's just a skin color, it doesn't make anyone better or worse. The fact that silly people (who are being downvoted for good reason) are attempting to link race to something more is just ridiculous.


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chumbler

Senior Member

10-22-2012

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Why does race even matter? It's just a skin color, it doesn't make anyone better or worse. The fact that silly people (who are being downvoted for good reason) are attempting to link race to something more is just ridiculous.
If skin color doesn't matter, why do you oppose the addition of black or other minority group (for the US) champions?

Unless you meant "Skin color doesn't matter as long as it's white."


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Chilipapa

Senior Member

10-22-2012

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Originally Posted by Eserine View Post

When people claim that "true non-racists don't see skin color" they are misrepresenting the position of individuals who are non-racist. The fully-completed thought might be written as "In a world where there are multiple ethnicities, true non-racists do not treat people of any ethnicity differently then they do people of their own ethnicity". Why is this an important distinction? Many people live in cities, towns, or social spheres where there are not multiple ethnicities, the live in a world of racial purity where they never need interact with people who do not look like them. Likewise Runeterra was shaped not to have champions of similarity to Native American, Hispanic, or African people, so "not seeing" this conspicuous omission (or the omission in many books, games, and movies http://www.cracked.com/article_19549_5-old-timey-prejudices-that-still-show-up-in-every-movie.html) does not mean that you are some sort of wise and enlightened sage of progressive morality.
Making decisions based on skin color. Racism. Get over it.


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2ofSpades

Senior Member

10-22-2012

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Originally Posted by chumbler View Post
If skin color doesn't matter, why do you oppose the addition of black or other minority group (for the US) champions?

Unless you meant "Skin color doesn't matter as long as it's white."
I don't think that they are opposed; I believe that they, like me, would enjoy any new champion regardless of skin tone.