Dont build AS Vayne. oH no or bad things will happen

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Gunxlinger

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09-30-2012

People will make randuin and frozen heart and you will be completely helpless.

Aren't these items equally bad on an AD build since they make low AS builds even worse. Also AS build allows more true damage to counter their armor...


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GhostDonkeys

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09-30-2012

Well at least on an ad build your one hit an hour actually hurts xD.

But yeah idk I suppose the true damage helps.

I don't think you should build vayne any different than other ad carries imo.


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ViashinoWizard

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09-30-2012

FYI, Tumble scales better with AD than Silver Bolts does with AS.


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ExecutionerK

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09-30-2012

FYI

Mid game if Vayne has her ultimate, AS Vayne outscale AD Vayne, and has more mobility due to PD.

but without ult, yes, it is not as good.


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YerroFever

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09-30-2012

Remember with Vayne, your tumble resets your auto attack, which means it doesn't matter whether your AS is reduced or not. Tumble is a huge steroid to an attack and it comes back very fast.

If you're sitting there not tumbling and attacking... you're wasting tons of damage and you're falling victim to frozen heart or randuins. Vayne is one of the few champs who doesn't get affected that horribly by reduced attack speed. Grab a blue elixir to reduce the damage reduction from the slower attack speed. Seriously. It makes your tumble come back faster, which means your DPS goes back up a bit.


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acosn

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09-30-2012

Quote:
Originally Posted by ExecutionerKen View Post
FYI

Mid game if Vayne has her ultimate, AS Vayne outscale AD Vayne, and has more mobility due to PD.

but without ult, yes, it is not as good.
It makes more sense to have a build that focuses on what you can do at all times rather than one that maximizes one ability that's only up for 8 - 12 seconds once every ~70 seconds.


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FaerellG

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09-30-2012

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Originally Posted by YerroFever View Post
Remember with Vayne, your tumble resets your auto attack, which means it doesn't matter whether your AS is reduced or not. Tumble is a huge steroid to an attack and it comes back very fast.

If you're sitting there not tumbling and attacking... you're wasting tons of damage and you're falling victim to frozen heart or randuins. Vayne is one of the few champs who doesn't get affected that horribly by reduced attack speed. Grab a blue elixir to reduce the damage reduction from the slower attack speed. Seriously. It makes your tumble come back faster, which means your DPS goes back up a bit.
You know, this is what I always thought too. Early game Vayne shouldn't build any AS. She only builds AS when teamfights start.

Because early game it should be:
1. auto attack (1 stack)
2. tumble to reset auto attack (2 stacks)
3. condemn (3 stacks).

It's a quick burst combo that happens in less than a second. If you have AD built, it hurts a ton, and AS really doesn't affect this combo too much.


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Gster

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09-30-2012

Its better to built vayne normal ad carry items without Last Whisper but instead Phantom Dancer. Her W acts as a LW to destroy tanks. Getting more atk spd will increase the amount of damage done to tanks then just getting LW.


Btw Vayne's W makes LW less efficient.


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Gunxlinger

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10-01-2012

Some very valid points here and i've been trying out multiple vayne builds. AS is giving me better results. Maybe it just suits my playstyle.
Some advantages of AS:
-Fast auto attack animation speed => Easier last hits
-PD gives lots of crits making auto attacks stronger with crit damage runes
-PD speed gives you the edge when chasing. Yes, MS scales low as you get it higher but still extremely useful
-AS is good with final hour. Making you a nightmare when you turn it on.
-Good with Tanky targets


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ExecutionerK

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10-01-2012

Most of the time you want to use AS vayne more for chasing and mobility, as well as stronger mid game. BUT. Remember, you shouldn't use it due to the crit, that will defeat the whole purpose because you will usually scale better by building AD.


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