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Epictues 11-08-2012 01:52 PM

I dont understand why teams dont let supports
 
get early minion kills.

early game everyone is pretty equal anyways. so supports do relatively just as much damage as others.


more importantly the idea of supports is to get gp 10 items to generate the gold for them, instead of cs.

the earliar the support gets his gp 10 item, the more value it will offer him and the faster the support is able to get his other support items rolling(like more gp 10 items).

so why not let supports get some early gold to rush that GP 10 item

Talarien 11-08-2012 01:57 PM

Gold is precious early game, and missed CS for your AD carry can mean the difference between winning the small skirmishes or losing them, which in turn changes the rest of the game

NiceDynamite 11-08-2012 01:59 PM

If you and your ADC are doing your job, early game wills (at least one) will come soon enough to get that Philo Stone, which is enough to get the ball rolling.

Kaoelith 11-08-2012 02:01 PM

adcs need to get to late game as fast as possible, the only time supports should get cs is from poke from certain champs(ie. sona) and blitz ulti.

you can also get cs when adcs arent in lane if they needed to buy or died in a trade and you are close to full hp

gold runes are op, use them

NiceDynamite 11-08-2012 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaoelith (Hozzászólás 31195697)
adcs need to get to late game as fast as possible, the only time supports should get cs is from poke from certain champs(ie. sona) and blitz ulti.

you can also get cs when adcs arent in lane if they needed to buy or died in a trade and you are close to full hp

gold runes are op, use them

^ Forgot about gold runes

Wickian 11-08-2012 02:44 PM

Gold runes plus 2-3 gp10 will generally net me third/second place gold on my team most games.

Warrrrax 11-09-2012 09:08 AM

Ive wondered this as well. By letting your support get some kills, they can get their Philo Stone faster and thus their HoG and thus kickstart their income and itemization.
Hence while the ADC might have 1 less Dorans blade, the support will have a HoG and be tougher to compensate.


The flip side of the argument is already stated: The ADC is the important one and they need to be as tough as possible. If they get behind, their ability to trade with the enemy ADC and poke are compromised leading to a fast snowballing and getting further and further behind. Having a slightly stronger support champ isn't enough to offset the loss of power by the ADC.

XxxLumberJackxxX 11-09-2012 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Warrrrax (Hozzászólás 31219630)
Hence while the ADC might have 1 less Dorans blade, the support will have a HoG and be tougher to compensate.
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BC in 2v2 trades in bottom lane the ADC always fcuses the support first amirite? THat extra HP is going to help a lot when you aren't getting hit and the enemy ADC just flat outtrades your opponent while you're hoG brings nothing to the table for that fight.

PogoPogoPogoPogo 11-09-2012 09:24 AM

By the way, good support players get every last hit that their ADC can't get.

This includes but is not limited to last hits while the ADC is shopping, last hits while the ADC is unfortunately dead, last hits where 2 or more minions will die simultaneously and the ADC can't possibly last hit both (this option is only really good if you have voice comm so you don't both go for the same one), last hits any time your ADC is out of lane for any reason (perhaps jungle is feeding red), last hits when your ADC is finishing off an enemy and you don't want to KS but one of your minions is about to last hit an enemy minion and your ADC has no way of getting it, etc.

Moreover, the small golem camp in the jungle if you're blue team can be fed to the support, while the ADC helps kill, but also soaks XP. This keeps the ADC even with the enemy ADC on gold and ahead on XP.

FaerellG 11-09-2012 09:27 AM

I've been toying around with a strategy to let the support get last hits early game to rush their first GP10 item, after that it's all the ADC.

Thoughts?


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