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BeefJerkyHunter 11-07-2012 02:01 PM

So armor pen...
Now that it is 100% true that percent armor penetration will be calculated before flat armor penetration...
I guess we just have to prepare ourselves to get shat on by Darius and Kha'Zix?


I'm kind of thinking that the % armor penetration given by the Dominion Aura should be removed now since armor penetration itself will be stronger than it is now.

I'm also predicting a bit of Black Cleaver + Last Whisper builds on some champions.

I'm also kind of thinking that the new Black Cleaver shouldn't go into Dominion. Or, have either the Last Whisper or Black Cleaver. Both shouldn't exist in the game at the same time.

I'm silly and didn't account for any potential changes to prices/stats for these items. But I'm a negative person and I doubt that any changes will be favorable for Dominion.

Phourc 11-07-2012 02:14 PM

Except all the numbers will be adjusted downward because, well, Xyph actually explained it pretty well:


Originally Posted by Xypherous (Hozzászólás 31159584)
Yes, we'll be doing a pass on all flat / % penetration sources to get them in line with the new formulae.

Currently, max ar pen is too binary in lane, while Last Whisper is *far* too strong because of how it anti-synergizes with flat armor penetration.

The values aren't too far off - in the ballpark of ~ 5% or 5 points for adjustments. Basically, if you only had one source of penetration, you'll see your penetration values go down as a whole because those were overtuned to be independent systems rather than interactive ones.

NavyGothic 11-07-2012 02:22 PM

It depends on how expensive they are.

For example, if you doubled the combine cost of LW (so the item goes from 2.3k to ~3.2k) and took away the +5 AD bonus, it would still be vital for defeating armour stacking enemies, but would be highly inefficient against enemies who invested in health or offensive stats instead.

Part of the problem with LW at the moment is that it's pretty cost-effective even if the enemy has only base armour. It's possible that in S3 that may no longer be the case.

I mean, stacking ArPen or abusing % -> flat could turn out to be horribly OP in S3 (even more so than now!), but it all depends on the numbers.

BeefJerkyHunter 11-07-2012 02:40 PM

You guys are right. I haven't taken in account for what changes they'll make to prices and stats of current items. I shall add that note into my first post.

Westlin 11-07-2012 02:51 PM

Either way I'm excited for an even stronger Panth since I run pen runes on him and buy LW and Brutalizer

Orphane 11-07-2012 02:57 PM

How about people wait for numbers across the board because this **** always happens

IIxeenoxII 11-07-2012 03:41 PM

Think about corki and his gatling gun + blk cleaver...

FDru 11-07-2012 03:58 PM

You're saying the armor pen aura should be removed now???

It should have been freaking removed 10 months ago when everyone realized how retarded OP it was.

ricedream5 11-07-2012 04:02 PM

I wonder if this also applies to mpen...
If it does, watch my ap koggy will become cheesecake tier :)

BeefJerkyHunter 11-07-2012 04:13 PM


Originally Posted by FDru (Hozzászólás 31166446)
You're saying the armor pen aura should be removed now???

It should have been freaking removed 10 months ago when everyone realized how retarded OP it was.

Don't spin my words. I've always wanted it to be removed, and these changes to armor penetration give even more reason to do so.

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