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Sweetea17 09-17-2012 09:41 PM

Elo hell? Elo is a horrible rating system? Someone help.
 
I want you to ask yourself this question, if your stats were
568 wins in solo que
against 27 losses.

What kind of elo rating do you think you would have? 2700? 2200 easy right?

Not this guy,

http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/24972085#profile
Just take a few minutes for that to seek in, get a soda, Smoke up.
Because, What is this?








This by far is the most disgusting thing I've ever seen.
For every champion this guy has played over 10 times he gets a 90 percent win rate.
Also his K/D is stupidly high


near 600 wins verses almost 30 losses and you get a nice near 1600 elo.


On the other hand. I show you a pro.
http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/19807803

What is going on here. Someone please explain this to me, in complete detail.

Sweetea17 09-17-2012 10:25 PM

bump

Poké Legit 09-17-2012 10:55 PM

Elo decay?

Sweetea17 09-17-2012 11:47 PM

Nope, its not decay, This person is seriously stuck in "elo hell" for them at least.

ChrisTheExiled 09-18-2012 12:35 AM

I agree this elo rating system is horrid to say the least, the other day i got +4 elo even though i didn't die once as mahlzahar

Mister Sandbag 09-18-2012 12:58 AM

Almost certain that he dodged repeatedly to keep his Elo low.

http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/19315825 is another person who did this. It has nothing to do with the Elo system really.

Sweetea17 09-18-2012 01:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mister Sandbag (Hozzászólás 29390281)
Almost certain that he dodged repeatedly to keep his Elo low.

http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/19315825 is another person who did this. It has nothing to do with the Elo system really.

No, This person was on skype with TheOddone. There wasn't any que dodging, Also, dodging que doesn't lower your elo anymore.

Don't down vote because its something you don't want to hear,
Down vote because you can challenge the information that I've provided, lets not be children, and try really hard to be Constructive.

He said specifically, at the start of his ranked seasons 2, He got trolled into oblivion in his placement matches and his elo is stupidly hard to raise.

Based on his K/D, Mechanically, This doesn't make any amount of sense that is logical
whether its just an anomaly, or a fault in the elo system that is in place.

If you look at The Elo system for what it was made for, It makes complete sense and all of it falls into a nice wall of logic that explains it.
But, this isn't 1v1 chess.


This person isn't just a lucky scrub, He is or was actively wanting to find a pro team.

If it has nothing to do with the elo system, then how is it allowing that to be the outcome?
You understand what you typed right? Just trying to not have a miscommunication

"nothing is wrong with the elo system, Besides the elo system" That was my understanding of what you said.

Lets do some basic math, 568 wins its about 10 months in season 2, so 45 weeks so 315 days, so at the very least its 1 game a day.
easily dismisses the idea that its decay.
Also his Jarvan k/d which is the champion he has played most
Kills 13.8/game Deaths 1.1/game

Clearly dominating.

The nail in the coffin to the VERY idea that its que dodging or decay is so simple.
Crs Nyjacky 106 wins, 45 losses top rating of 2411

Tylerpb 09-18-2012 04:14 AM

Dodging doesn't affect Elo anymore, but that's only been the case for a couple months or so while season 2 has been going on for almost a year now. You can't see a lot of his history, but it doesn't suggest that he is playing ranked games very actively. Queue dodging could still easily be the explanation.

It's really pretty hard to explain this based on some flaw in using Elo or applying it to a team situation or even Elo hell as the term is generally used. It's not like the guy is playing really well but keeps losing because of other people. He's winning a lot if that information is accurate. The only way your Elo stays down through that is by getting matched up with people way way below your Elo, which seems unlikely on that scale.

For what it's worth, the idea that doing well in a game should be correlated with getting a lot of Elo points for winning is flawed. You do really well in a game because you're much better than the people you're up against. If you get a small number of Elo points for winning that game it's because your Elo is much higher than those people you are much better than, as it should be. What have you really proven about your skill by beating someone the system already thinks you are much better than badly? What should get you a large number of points is when you beat people with a higher score than you, showing that your own score should be closer to or higher than theirs. The system gives a lot of points in order to move your score towards theirs, as it should be. In that situation it's a lot more likely that you'll have a very average score and barely eke out a win.

IncendiarySpade 09-18-2012 04:21 AM

Queue Dodging at beginning of season and/or duoing with someone who has 0 elo. Begone ye troll.
Lots of people did this 2+ months ago so they could have ridiculously high winrates. Some guy had like a 98% winrate with shaco at 45 elo. Anyone with half a brain knows what he did... so please don't shake the "elo hell exists" crowd's cage.

IncendiarySpade 09-18-2012 04:33 AM

Normal elo gain for wins ~10 x 568
Normal elo loss for placements ~50 x 27
This guy could have been one of those trolls that got negative elo season one because of dodging and/or trolling. so assuming he started at 0, he would be at 0 + 5680 - 1350 = 4330 elo. Q.E.D you lose.


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