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PiercingFerocity 01-07-2012 12:11 PM

Breaking news! The windmill is not the only node!
 
Please people, if there are 4 enemy champs guarding the windmill, go capture ANOTHER POINT. Even if you group up and manage to take it, it probably would have been better to force a fight elsewhere.

I dunno what happened: when Dominion first came out, people actually made smarter plays than this.

I'm starting to suspect that there are an awful lot of incognito bots in LoL these days...

CaptainSoda 01-07-2012 12:21 PM

4 people at windmill?

Ready to set their team on fire?

FDru 01-07-2012 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by PiercingFerocity (Hozzászólás 19425149)
I dunno what happened: when Dominion first came out, people actually made smarter plays than this.

Really? Cause I remember that "Winmill" was the common nickname for Windmill and every game revolved around both teams suicide bombing it because it was considered the only objective on the map (with the possible exception of one derp running around with mobility + priscillas ninja capping).

Things are much better now... though the few times I've played blind pick the meta seemed to still be stuck at "get Windmill or we lose". God I hate blind pick.

PiercingFerocity 01-07-2012 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by FDru (Hozzászólás 19426352)
Really? Cause I remember that "Winmill" was the common nickname for Windmill and every game revolved around both teams suicide bombing it because it was considered the only objective on the map (with the possible exception of one derp running around with mobility + priscillas ninja capping).

Things are much better now... though the few times I've played blind pick the meta seemed to still be stuck at "get Windmill or we lose". God I hate blind pick.

I had been playing blind pick before now due to the shorter start up time, but after reading your post I committed myself to a couple of draft games. I was pleasantly surprised with level of tactical sense displayed by my teams and my enemies :)

AnyOtherEnemy 01-07-2012 09:23 PM

The windmill is the only node equidistant from both spawn points and therefore there is no inherent advantage to either team.

Hence why you try to take it. You have a better chance at succeeding than any of the others, ON AVERAGE.

AAARRRRGGGGGHHHH 01-07-2012 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by yawn dragon (Hozzászólás 19442204)
The windmill is the only node equidistant from both spawn points and therefore there is no inherent advantage to either team.

Hence why you try to take it. You have a better chance at succeeding than any of the others, ON AVERAGE.

if their entire team is already mobilized onto it and guarding it and your team is already mobilized and ready to fight then it doesn't matter which point the fight takes place on

a 4v4 at the windmill isn't suddenly better than a 4v4 at the drill simply because the windmill is farther from their spawn.

there are advantages to taking the opposing mid. though they are able to heal up and return to the battle much sooner, by controlling their mid you also place pressure on their control of the windmill (and of bottom). if they send too many from windmill to retake mid, you can simply fall back and exchange their mid for windmill,. if they desert top entirely you can even take both windmill (since it is undefended 2v0) and their bot (who cannot hope to win 3v1). if they don't send enough you can sit on mid.

the reason taking mid is frowned upon in blind pick is because people keep doing it alone and with terrible champions who cannot hope to defend the point 1v1. they send one back to retake the point and then your team calls you a dumbass for spending that much time moving to the point to end up not even holding it for 5 seconds (or failing to capture it entirely)

Ascleph 01-07-2012 09:54 PM

Usually, the idea of asaulting their mid or bot is to put pressure on their top defense because the ultimate goal is.... to take top, yep.
The only other point that can be reasonably hold while top belongs to the other team is bot.

Sealpup 01-08-2012 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by PiercingFerocity (Hozzászólás 19425149)
Please people, if there are 4 enemy champs guarding the windmill, go capture ANOTHER POINT. Even if you group up and manage to take it, it probably would have been better to force a fight elsewhere.

What you say is true, it's what the high elo/team players do.

But, in a pug of 5 solo queues, it's difficult to coordinate that to be successful, especially the ones that haven't seen that strategy executed previously.

Therefore people go the safe route, gather 4 top and hope to make a comeback.

Ardnalis 01-08-2012 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Sealpup (Hozzászólás 19446829)
What you say is true, it's what the high elo/team players do.

But, in a pug of 5 solo queues, it's difficult to coordinate that to be successful, especially the ones that haven't seen that strategy executed previously.

Therefore people go the safe route, gather 4 top and hope to make a comeback.

"Harass, but don't engage, trying for a backcap."

Communication is key. I know, I know: Easier said than done. But even still, if they have 4 people at top pinned down, sending your assassin bottom to assassinate their bottom will often times result in one of a few actions, if the gank is successful:
-You grab the point
--One of the enemies at top will base, leaving it a 3v3 and a 2v1 at bottom.
--Two of the enemies at top will base, leaving it a 3v2 and a 2v2 at bottom.
--The enemy, noticing they have a numbers advantage, will charge out forcing a 3v4 fight.
---You counter this by grabbing their mid.

jars 01-08-2012 08:07 AM

if their team is standing on the windmill you blow them up with aoe for having such bad positioning. ganking bot can work, but going for mid is in general a bad idea no matter what.


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