||12-03-2010 08:47 PM
I made a post in the main hotfix thread, but I felt it worth reposting in a separate thread so that it may be more directly considered and addressed. Respond as you will.
1. Pantheon was good before this patch. He received a moderate, but not huge, amount of play. In particular, he was exceedingly good in lane thanks to his Q, and his ability to effectively zone the vast majority of other champions in the game. He tended to drop off a little late game, unless the match was already severely skewed.
2. The buff to Pantheon weakened his Q most significantly early on, and transferred that power to his E, and then some. More than that, it allowed Pantheon to level up E and W as primaries, and ignore Q, which granted him a stronger stun in the laning phase (where it makes the most impact). Further, his scaling on the whole was buffed, and he snowballed much more easily, and much harder when he did. He basically got the Corki treatment, in that he was a fairly good but ignored champion who was suddenly propelled into the spotlight by one buff.
3. The popular arguments as to why his E wasn't overbuffed tend to feature some odd assumptions. The Pantheon player is almost always bad, and the opposing player is almost always good; therefore the Pantheon player will not take advantage of any strategic options (such as his built-in stun, or brush) that he has available, and just spam E whenever it's up, allowing the opposing player to freely manipulate him. Although it seems too obvious to state, this is rarely the case.
The Pantheon is also often apparently in vacuum, since proponents of his current state seem to rarely consider the fact that he has 4 other people on his team who, more often than not, are making an effort to make sure Pantheon doesn't die, and has good opportunities to unload his damage, not to mention dealing damage of their own.
As such, the arguments come across as just somewhat... odd. In the majority of cases, it sounds like the arguers in question have not in fact played the game with Pantheon. How often, honestly, does a Pantheon run up to you, Aegis uncharged, and hit E in such a position that you can immediately dart out of its cone? How often is the Pantheon's team so incompetent or underfarmed that it can be deemed advisable to dump everything you have on him, and not be at a major disadvantage facing the rest of them? How often is it really a good idea to "just stack some armor" on a champion who has no good items that build out of good armor items, and additionally are still able to keep up in damage and fulfilling their primary role?
4. Since the patch, Pantheon is on permaban status in ranked games. Everyone I have spoken to personally, both Council and not, agrees that Pantheon was overbuffed. Period. There is no argument on that count with any of them.
I understand people who play Pantheon may feel strongly about him, but really? I disagreed with the speed of the LeBlanc nerf hotfix, but I truly cannot fathom the opposition to this, unless I and everyone I know are somehow playing a different game than the forum community at large. No offense, but the defenders of Pantheon's buff strike me as far more reactionary than those against it.