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Sexy Suz 01-04-2013 05:06 AM

Is america a full democratic nation?
 
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Galdareth 01-04-2013 06:02 AM

Nope... in complete honesty America is slowy moving to socialism... it's a shame really, the principals and ethic that made the country what it is today are long diminished...

Guancyto 01-04-2013 06:08 AM

No. It has never been a full democracy.

It's always been a republic.

Representative democracy, mother****ers, it's what's for dinner.

(Also, saying "America is becoming less democratic because it is becoming more socialist" is like saying "the tectonic plates move because my mother is in town." They've got jack diddly to do with each other, unless your mother is a fatass.)

CatchandKiss 01-04-2013 06:17 AM

What Guan said.

OBITWIZZLE 01-04-2013 06:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galdareth (Hozzászólás 33141842)
Nope... in complete honesty America is slowy moving to socialism... it's a shame really, the principals and ethic that made the country what it is today are long diminished...

Please elaborate. Welfare isn't socialism. It's a minor redsitribution of wealth, but even that's not socialism.

So, please elaborate. Tell us all about Marx and his ideals. Please.

the flail 01-04-2013 07:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guancyto (Hozzászólás 33141910)
No. It has never been a full democracy.

It's always been a republic.

Representative democracy, mother****ers, it's what's for dinner.

(Also, saying "America is becoming less democratic because it is becoming more socialist" is like saying "the tectonic plates move because my mother is in town." They've got jack diddly to do with each other, unless your mother is a fatass.)

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Kinvaras666 01-04-2013 07:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galdareth (Hozzászólás 33141842)
Nope... in complete honesty America is slowy moving to socialism... it's a shame really, the principals and ethic that made the country what it is today are long diminished...


Lol, socialism....


But no, it i not fully democratic because your voting system doesn't direct give you power to choose.

You have a really weird voting system btw

Powerstoned 01-04-2013 07:13 AM

The same people who complain about the US moving towards socialism, are also against a pre-reagan top marginal tax rate, which IS what made America great.

Our government gives $2.4k a away a year for food per person if they need it and american conservatives are tired of it. Who cares their leader gets $77k a year to raise his ballet horse or dodges taxes for tens of thousands of dollars giving it to his private club/church. A couple grand per year of food for poor people, eff that. The mentality and hypocracy is crazy. Conservatives in this country even want poor people to go to the ER for any and every visit instead of mandating health insurance and/or making it affordable by eliminating for-profit medical care.

Galdareth 01-04-2013 07:48 AM

There's a number of things that show traits and have aspects of a Socialistic nation right under your noses, but most people don't even realize it.

Ex #1.
Ownership of Property

I must ask what it means for us to own our property. When a government can control, appropriate, distribute, and dispose of a very significant amount of its citizens' property without their individual consent, is it not the operating premise that government owns everything and that you use your property only with government's tacit consent, and only as long as government doesn't presently wish to revoke your rights to this or that portion of your property? Is this not how our government is currently setup?

Ex #2,
Taxes

The average american household gives 40% of it's earnings a year to the government through taxes. Meaning if you started you work year on January 1st, you'd be working for the government from Jan 1st - May15th. May 16th you would finally start working for yourself and not the government in that aspect. Remember the Boston Tea Party? That happened due to a 1cent tax on tea. Yet now we pay almost half our earnings yearly to the government...

Ex3
Qunatity and Price Regulations and Contorls

The government has controls and regulations on what can and can't be traded, imported, exported, and quantities applying to each aspect.The government also imposes tariffs and import quotas on all kinds of imported goods like sugar cane from the Caribbean and steel from Europe, driving up the price of these goods for American businesses and consumers and hurting American exports by encouraging similar policies in other countries. In addition, government subsidies of various industries wreak havoc with market forces and create wasteful surpluses and artificially low prices. The surpluses (of subsidized corn, for example) typically get dumped in foreign markets where they flood the market and bankrupt local farmers. How can these practices be set in place, yet, its is not deemed Socialistic in nature by you people when the very principle of government controlling these things is Socialistic.

#4
Regulations

This is one of the biggest things. More and more required regulations are being shoved down business' throats. A prefect example of this is employers are required to have workman's comp premiums tied into their health insurance, making a much higher overhead for a company. If an employee would be injured and an employer doesn't have the workman's comp setup as per regulations, they are required to pay a fine that is actually LESS than paying the premium for each person. So why would they even bother to get it for them? Then there are the anti-trust laws that the federal government uses to prosecute businesses for the crime of success. Under these laws, if a business prices above its competition, it can be prosecuted for monopolistic pricing. If it prices below its competition, it can be prosecuted for aggressive pricing to bankrupt its competitors. And get this- if it prices the same as its competitors, it can even be tried for price collusion. The laws are such a vague, tangled mess that no successful business can be safe from them or possibly comply with them all.

This is just the tip of the iceburg. But these are all things that a traits and practices that coincide with a Socialistic government. For person to even say that there isn't socialism in the U.S, shows they are ignorant in the matter.

standin 01-04-2013 07:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galdareth (Hozzászólás 33141842)
Nope... in complete honesty America is slowy moving to socialism... it's a shame really, the principals and ethic that made the country what it is today are long diminished...

I'm pretty sure you don't know what socialism is, especially since you and millions of Americans enjoy some benefits that have been around for quite some time now that are somewhat socialist in nature but not exactly. And you watch too much Fox News.


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