Originally Posted by Zan Vorez
It seems that a number of the champions that have been released in the recent past have had a number of similarity traits in common. Namely, they are insanely tanky naturally, have incredibly high damage, and a ridiculous amount of mobility. While there's nothing inherently wrong with any of these mechanics individually I think it's problematic to give them all to a single champ. Take a look at Diana, who was just nerfed into the ground (and justifiably so). Glance at Jayce, who can shred champions from a distance that even Nidalee would be envious of, and then jump in and tank while still dealing TONS OF DAMAGE. Darius? Yeah (not as much mobility as counter mobility, but you get the idea). Riven doesn't even need boots in theory, and she can tank with the best of them merely by using AD items. Rengar was a huge problem too, he could come out of nowhere with insane burst and then buff his defenses and continue to do high sustained damage. Now it looks like Vi will follow in their footsteps. Why do you okay the design of these champions when you can almost guarantee that any with these features will be undeniably broken? Safe yourself the time of nerfing and pissing off the community and just make more balanced champs. It's not that hard, just stop giving every champion all the things. A champion who does high damage does not need high health. I know tanky DPS is popular, but these champions push to a level beyond tanky DPS. They are tanky burst and they have no place in the game as it is. They simply outclass all the other champs by virtue of their natural stats, synergy with items, and assigned kit. It doesn't even require skill most times.
These champions are incredibly fun and rewarding to play, have little risk taking for high rewards, incredible amounts of room for error, capitalize on the slight errors of others very well, and are just generally nightmares to play against. You're against toxic behavior? Maybe you should focus on your own organization and remove toxic champion design, first.
None of the champions you listed are "naturally insanely tanky", in fact the only way they can be tanky is by sacrificing their high damage output, or if you fed them so much that they just have THAT much more of a gold/level advantage than you. Have you ever considered the fact that Diana's all magic damage/AP based, and that you should probably build magic resist against her? She's a clone of Akali, treat her as such, she does good damage and is durable, but nowhere near as much as a tank unless you fed the hell out of her early game. It's not that she's dealing insane damage while being tanky, it's that you're probably doing absolutely nothing to stop her, or just doing it completely wrong.
Jayce was just nerfed recently and is no longer as godlike as he used to be. Once again, build proper defense and he's not that bad. He's not supposed to be an easy champion to fight, as with all champions.
Riven, I really hope you're kidding. She's not tanky at all, and her shield really doesn't last that long. Have you ever seen a Riven get focused? It's hilarious, and they die quicker than some of the squishiest champs in the game because they have to be RIGHT in their face. She's is SOLELY reliant on damage, if she builds armor, she dies because she can't have that damage output she's sacrificing for it. Build decent amounts of armor early game and watch her die to every gank you pull that has even the slightest bit of cc, or just pick Malphite and laugh as she can't do anything to you. Unless of course, you feed her, which by the sounds of it, you do. I also like how you say that in theory she doesn't need boots, because aside from being completely reliant on AD, she's also completely reliant on mobility due to the fact that cc DESTROYS her.
Lol, Darius. No. I'm not going over this again.
Rengar is now forced to build tanky to survive, therefore giving him much less damage than he had a long time ago. Would you prefer getting bursted down in 3 seconds at level 1, or being able to survive the laning phase to rape him later?
Vi will not be tanky; she can build for a bit of survival, but if you've read the PBE forums you'd have known by now that she can't survive that long in teamfights, much like Diana and Riven.
People like you ARE the toxic behavior. Vi hasn't even been released yet and you're already preemptively making assumptions.