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Warlord Buwberry 12-04-2012 09:48 PM

More Cleavers!!!!!
 
8% Pen Talents
12% armor penetration aura
30% Black Cleaver(NOT to mention these can stack)
15% Win Zhao/Wukong
56 flat Armor pen/ghostblade/Cleaver/Runes

Grand Total of 65% armor pen + 56 Flat pen = 0 armor. GG riot, test your **** before xin zhao 3 Q and dead combo's people.

100 armor-65%=45-56= -11 armor
200 armor-65%=70-56= 14 armor
300 armor-65%=135-56= 79 armor

otirruborez 12-04-2012 09:54 PM

penetration does't add up the way you think it does.

FDru 12-04-2012 09:58 PM

Doesn't reduction still come first?

As far as I know, all they changed was how %pen and flat pen are ordered.

NavyGothic 12-04-2012 10:00 PM

To be fair, flat penetration can't drop someone into negative values. Only flat shred can do that, and without Black Cleaver it's going to be extremely rare to drop even a base armour opponent to negative.

With that said, yeah, it's stupid. It's pretty pointless to build any armour at all unless you're going to go all the way.

Edit: Order is now flat shred > % shred > % pen > flat pen. So for your personal DPS only, % shred and % pen are identical in value (obviously % shred helps your teammates too, so is better).

otirruborez 12-04-2012 10:00 PM

either way penetration is out of control.

NavyGothic 12-04-2012 10:06 PM

Oh wait, just noticed that he just added the % values together. Yeah, that's wrong.

If your champ has 15% reduction (eg. Kayle, Xin Zhao), then the correct formula is:

0.92 * 0.88 * 0.70 * 0.85 = 48% of armour, then apply flat pen.

However, Wukong has 30% reduction, so his formula is:

0.92 * 0.88 * 0.70 * 0.70 = 39% of armour, then apply flat pen

... which is a bit closer to the values you have listed, though still not quite as bad.

Painkillar 12-04-2012 10:18 PM

It's all riots scheme to celebrate holidays that have past. November was blackfire torches to keep the Halloween spirit alive after October, and now cleavers to celebrate thanksgiving in December. Cant wait for what's in store for January. I'm going to be disappointed if i don't see an item that is an actual Snowball that has an active to one shot anyone it's thrown at. It should be deemed: "The Snowball Item"

A Slime Appears 12-04-2012 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by otirruborez (Hozzászólás 32104004)
penetration does't add up the way you think it does.

Also, it appears Nome is going to remove the penetration from the global aura, so that will reduce it as well. ( source : http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/....php?t=2864369 )

NavyGothic 12-04-2012 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Painkillar (Hozzászólás 32104680)
It's all riots scheme to celebrate holidays that have past. November was blackfire torches to keep the Halloween spirit alive after October, and now cleavers to celebrate thanksgiving in December. Cant wait for what's in store for January. I'm going to be disappointed if i don't see an item that is an actual Snowball that has an active to one shot anyone it's thrown at. It should be deemed: "The Snowball Item"

Continuing the theme of "lol AD champs, say hello to my Blackfire Torch" -> "lol casters, say hello to my Black Cleaver", I propose the next item should be for tanks.

Blackfirecleave Heart:
+100 armour.
+75 magic resist.
+300 health.
Passive: Your armour and magic resist are no longer subject to penetration or reduction effects.

It would be a good counter to BFT and BC! That's what we're begging for, right? Right?

konfetarius 12-04-2012 10:31 PM

Why is +100 Health and +75 Health spelled as armour and magic resist respectively?


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