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Dylan Rhg 08-19-2012 08:39 PM

Support Fiddle?
 
After watching the Solomid weekly Invitationals #7 and seeing Crs Elementz astound everyone with how well he played as Support Fiddle and how aggressive the lane becomes, as well as bringing so much damage with also CC.

Do you think Fiddle will be one of the Flavour of the Month supports, up there with Blitz, Alistar, Leona, and also Nunu?

FlowyS 08-20-2012 08:13 AM

It's pretty good if the enemy doesn't have a lot of CC. Support Fiddle's drain will become really powerful and that makes it possible for Fiddle to be very aggressive.

Pigsfoot 08-20-2012 08:20 AM

not at all on the drain. you should never be lvling that drain first imo with supp fidd. Get your silence, get a lvl in drain for your sustain, THEN MAX FEAR, drain can be second np. should be getting wards and gp10s like other supps. u need to be silencing their escapes and keeping their carry locked down for yours to burst. Crowstorm from your bushes that you have under controll with vision wards like a boss silence fear and then drain, but drain shouldnt be doing much more then discouraging them from focusing you down or wasting cc on you while your carry is assraping their silenced feared, sitting in your Crows carry.

that is all

TheUnburned 08-20-2012 09:38 AM

Kinda doubt it. Supports in bot-lane usually have some form of interrupt. And interrupts screw Fiddle. An Alistar support tears Fiddle apart. Lulu, Leona, Taric, Blitzcrank, and especially Janna can all render Fiddle's damage output useless, and without damage output, all he has is a 1.2s silence and 3s fear. If your carry is smart enough to bring Summoner Cleanse into lane with him, and later QSS, Fiddle becomes nearly useless (Knockups > Fear/Stun/Snare/Taunt for this reason in bot lane). Of course a GOOD fiddle can transcend all of these problems and bring plenty of utility and even damage late-game, but it's one of those things I don't see catching on in Solo queues. The few times that I've seen it (I usually play support), I've never been very impressed.

Support Fiddle with 50 AP and a little armor jumps into the middle of the team with a crowstorm. Gets knocked up and killed before the second damage tick can even go off.

TeknoWizard 08-20-2012 10:22 AM

My friend has been playing support Fiddle for a few months now. And let me tell you, he wrecks lane nearly every game. As someone said, late game the AD can buy a QSS to counter the fear. Oh, supports can interrupt the drain. You don't play support Fiddle for damage output. You play him for the 3 second fear early. That is a stupidly strong CC to just be dropping on people. And his E is amazing harass that the other team can't do anything to answer. And if the other support is blowing CC on you to stop a little-to-no damage spell, then fantastic! More time for your carry to take down their's! Plus, people will scatter at the sound of a Fiddle ult, regardless of the damage it does. It's kinda instinct.

Cenerae 08-20-2012 10:58 AM

He won't be a flavor of the month support.

Why? Because to take proper advantage of Fiddle as a support pick, you'd need to have a team that understands what he can do, as well as a Fiddle player that knows when to use his skills. Picking him just because of his fear and silence is poor reasoning, given there's plenty of CC oriented supports out there that overall do that job better.

XCodes 08-20-2012 11:33 AM

He can't back up his fear with damage. Taric has a max-rank Shatter, Lulu has a max-rank pixie attack, Leona has bonus damage on every single skill hit, Sona has Power Chord... Fiddle has a low-damage, channeled ability, and a virtually no-damage silence that pushes lane. Against any bot-lane with an interrupt or even some movespeed, Fiddle is only going to be able to use his fear to stop your ADC from trading.

So, yeah. Lulu generally does the same thing as Fiddle, only she does it better.

Cenerae 08-20-2012 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by XCodes (Hozzászólás 28450552)
He can't back up his fear with damage. Taric has a max-rank Shatter, Lulu has a max-rank pixie attack, Leona has bonus damage on every single skill hit, Sona has Power Chord... Fiddle has a low-damage, channeled ability, and a virtually no-damage silence that pushes lane. Against any bot-lane with an interrupt or even some movespeed, Fiddle is only going to be able to use his fear to stop your ADC from trading.

So, yeah. Lulu generally does the same thing as Fiddle, only she does it better.

Supports don't need to back up their CC with damage. They use the CC to enable their partner/team to follow up, and contribute where they can.

An up to 3 seconds fear plus a silence is a lot of CC to throw on one person, and that gives a lot of time to make some aggressive plays happen.

Pigsfoot 08-20-2012 03:48 PM

cuz crowstorm doesnt do damage....

like i said you max fear, your damage isnt coming from drain or your silence. but if you think that crowstorm doesnt do damage even without ap items you smoke lots of crack.

corallein 08-20-2012 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dylan Rhg (Hozzászólás 28433839)
Do you think Fiddle will be one of the Flavour of the Month supports, up there with Blitz, Alistar, Leona, and also Nunu?

No. He's too situational, and hit-or-miss. All the other supports (even Blitz) are more reliable.


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