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Eggroll9000 05-01-2012 11:56 AM

We should start at 0 ELO rather than 1200.
We should all start at 0 ELO and work our way up rather than 1200.

Here's why:

When we first start, we suck so we're on our way down.
Get down to the bottom let's say for the sake of argument we get as low as 100 ELO before we figure it out.
Start climbing.
While climbing, we are constantly running into people on their way down from 1200 cuz it's their first 20 games or something.
Get stuck in somewhere around 800-1200 where a **** ton of people on their way down so now you are thinking "I worked my way all the way back up from 100 just to run into someone that looks like they're reading the instructions while playing..."
You're actually better off playing at 300-500 elo then cuz they've played enough games to get that low!!!!!
It seems to be an unnecessary and strange wall.
0 is 0. If you suck at 0 ELO, it's ok. But if you worked your way up from 100 to say 1100 and are teamed up with 4 other people that are playing their 5th ranked game ever also at 1100, you're just eff'd.
Please consider and support. Thanks.

Rodoz 05-01-2012 12:44 PM

I see where you're going with this. I'll upvote.

corallein 05-01-2012 01:44 PM

And everyone will be stuck at 0 instead. And those people who used to be at 0 will still be at 0, and you'll be playing with them all the time.

Unless you let them go negative. And then everyone's ratings will just be what they are right now minus 1200.

Stupid ideas are stupid.

Christy x 05-01-2012 03:30 PM

I understand your point but corallein is right. Putting everyone at 0 would just mean that the people who are bad will forever be playing with each other and that for the first 400-500 elo you will play with people who won the majority of their first 10 games or who got lucky (i.e. the people who you think are reading the instructions still).

I like the idea of having to work your way up from 0...it might make a little more sense than the current system but it will still have all the same problems.

Eggroll9000 05-01-2012 10:42 PM


Originally Posted by Christyowns (Hozzászólás 23835933)
Putting everyone at 0 would just mean that the people who are bad will forever be playing with each other

That's exactly right!!! People that are bad SHOULD play each other. Why would you instead put people that are bad in 1200 instead of 0? The whole point is to climb out and to distinguish your ELO by carrying out. If you can't carry out of 0, you belong in 0. But right now, you can belong in 0 but get in the way of the person going from 1100-1300 which makes far less sense.

Senju Tobirama 05-01-2012 11:10 PM

I'll agree that the starting zone is nmow broken with the current influ of new player in ranked 1250-1600 elo is the more broken zone atm. but under 1200. If u fine enought you should be going 20/0 every game cause literaly everyone suck in there so if you deserve to go higher you should be easily going up. They should just allow people to reset there elo after 100 game played, if over 1250 u get back to 1250 with 0win 0 loss so you still have ur early game placement, +40-40...

Ans for people whoa re at 800 and have 100 game and reset it will stay at 800 elo, but will have there win and loss resetted. So they can use the early placement, and if thye belong higher they should be winning every game with that 40 gain. and get out of there quickly. If they do derserver if not they might even go even lower, but as I said if u worth 1250+ and are playnig with 1200 player you'll literaly win every game there, cause people are jsut so bad that you always get 10/0 in 10 min and make the other team surrender at 20.

Jurgrady 05-01-2012 11:27 PM

I agree with this. The people saying that you would never be able to climb out of that elo, are totally missing the point. When playing with people like this it is super easy to carry a game and climb out of that if you deserve it. Many, many PvP games have you start at zero rating and climb from there and it works much much better.

DarkePacific 05-02-2012 02:26 AM

I really agree with this.

KillerNoName 05-02-2012 06:29 AM

I disagree for one reason only, and that is, you can't punish people who dodge if everyone starts at zero. Someone might argue, they go negative, and play with negative elo players, but then it totally doesn't matter. The baseline doesn't matter, and if you're a good player, volume beats volatility. If you're good, keep playing, and you'll get out of elo hell. It's a challenge, and climbing out of elo hell is easier for others simply because of luck, but after hundreds or even thousands of games, it won't matter.

Arkemex 05-02-2012 07:03 AM

I don't think it is a good idea...if at the start of ranked games it happened, fair enough, but since many people already have a rank you cannot start from 0. Hmmm unless when Season 3 comes all ranks are reset then that might work.

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