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Basoosh 01-16-2012 02:03 PM

Bot Lane Nasus
What's your skill order and item build? I'm kind of at a loss for how it works.

HibbityJibbity 01-16-2012 03:22 PM

i'm not exactly pro nasus, but he is what i win by far the most with to the point where i call him my free elo pick.

i max E>W>Q and my first 3 points go into Q>E>E. used to add W, but you don't have killing potential at level 3 so it's only a decent escape tool and you will level it at 4 anyways. E and promote make you a very hard pusher to deal with. i find that's what makes nasus viable in dominion despite the inherently weaker late game Q.

maxing CDR and building tanky is what, for me, makes him incredibly powerful. you push harder, you can chain withers, and your Q farm is still reasonable even though you max it last because of your CDR. to put it into perspective, you have 4 second cooldown on maxed Q. with max CDR, it's 5.2 at level 1. good games lead to me defending 3v1 and killing people at the tower when i finish frozen heart, fon and shurelias faster than normal, and the average game i can hold 2v1 vs ganks and even hold their bot tower consistently if the lane match up favors nasus too much.

my core early game items are merc treads, glacial shroud, kindlegem and a negatron if i'm vs an AP lane. my first buys are a chain vest, mana pendent, boots, 3 reds and 1 blue pot and my goal within the first few minutes is to push the lane and get a glacial shroud, then mercs, then kindle.

i might as well throw it out there, i stole this from a guide that suggested it's possible to get a glacial shroud at the beginning of the game by getting chain vest and mana crystal with 1 pot, capping your tower, recalling and using the extra money to buy glacial. i don't suggest this because 2 bottom is an auto cap on your tower and you will not enjoy having only bought 1 pot if you are 2 bottom and can't recall.

then i build to counter whatever does dmg to me, looking to get a FoN, finish frozen heart, finish shurelias. what to get next is not set in stone, it usually varies between thornmail, aegis and odin's veil. basically you either still need to get more defense against someone well fed or you go aegis to be all around stronger. aegis is the strongest fifth item buy imo but sometimes you need to overcompensate. for the same reasons, you finish one item or the other based on threats. if you're retardedly fed for some reason and can afford thornmail and odins you basically go into godmode vs everyone. i've never gotten six item nasus but the theorycraft says he'd have like 9k effective HP with FoN regenning him so i'm not sure how to even die without clicking hold position for 10-15 seconds.

a question i haven't quite been able to answer is how to buy for an AP lane, because i just haven't gotten enough games where there is an AP champ threatening enough to warrant early MR like cass. just haven't gone up against one enough times yet. my common sense tells me to start with the cloak or even negatron, but i don't really have experience to say anything for sure.

tl;dr i max CDR then just build tanky, E>W>Q, afk push with E+promote and feed on poor lane matchs ups to turn into an immortal bot lane monster

PrometheanRage 01-16-2012 07:17 PM

i find that roa works well for me, follow with frozen heart, and mr/health/armor. the 80 ap is a nice boost to spirit fire and ult, and the extra mana from cata lets me spam to my heart's content. The regen from cata is also very helpful down bot.

i sometimes will build abyssal, too. don't usually buy fon, but i might have to give it a try next time i play nasus.


tl;dr i max CDR then just build tanky, E>W>Q, afk push with E+promote and feed on poor lane matchs ups to turn into an immortal bot lane monster
Totally agree. :D

FDru 01-16-2012 08:00 PM

The only reason I can't think of you'd want to build RoA on Nasus is to start with a Catalyst for a slightly less gimpy early game. That's not a bad idea but TBH you'd be better off finishing it up with Odyn's rather than RoA.

Something I've learned over probably about 100 Dominion games with Nasus is that AP doesn't do much for him. Spirit fire even at base strength is more than enough to clear minion waves. It gets a .6 ratio but the DoT is going to be mostly wasted on champions, and his ult doesn't gain much from it either (due to the long cooldown, and the fact that applying all of the damage is difficult without max CDR and rank 5 Wither). Lifesteal is a much better stat overall, as it allows you to farm your Q while almost totally ignoring harassment and stay at constant full health.

I've found the following build to be totally unstoppable past mid-game, even with minimal Q farm:
Merc Treads
Frozen Heart
Force of Nature
Sanguine Blade

With certain alterations based on the enemy team... like you could skip FoN entirely in some cases (and pick up something like Executioner's Calling, 90% lifesteal yes please). Or get Aegis instead of Stark's if you just need to be more beefy against a balanced comp. Once you get Triforce + Sanguine Blade + max CDR you are 1 shotting a minion every 2.4 seconds and Siphoning Strike with good farm is as beastly on Dom as it is on SR.

Basoosh 01-17-2012 06:35 AM

Cool, thanks for the responses all. Much appreciated.

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