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Gløry 09-23-2011 01:01 PM

Dominion is a skill-less version of League of Legends
Everything that separated good players from bad players on SR is missing. Last-hitting, not pushing your lane, map awareness/warding, decision making in terms of whether to stay in the lane and get XP, risking being ganked or killed, or to play it safe and go back, trying to create opportunities to secure map objectives, and most importantly, positioning in teamfights.

You spawn, you run to a node, and you fight people there. There isn't a whole lot of depth to this in League of Legends. Don't get me wrong, I love LoL. But you only have 4 moves. Generally speaking there isn't a lot of distance between someone performing with robotic optimal precision, and someone who is pretty good. In fact, most of the opportunities for extremely good play came on Summoner's Rift, where someone highly attuned to their character might sneak in, get a kill, and just barely return to safety. Here, there would be no point in that, because they would still control the node.

So if twitch gaming skill is out, what is left? From what I've seen, it's pretty much just spawn, run at each other, use your skills, some people die, some live, cap nodes, repeat. Is this fun? Sure! Is it..."filling?" Not really...There's hardly any way to distinguish yourself, or to do a good job. In SR, you can leave the lane with 200 CS, or gank extremely well on your jungler and help the lanes, or ward their red and ambush their jungle and cripple him. Dominion? You can run to a node, fight, die, or live and cap. And this is pretty much all you can do.

Meanwhile, the people that do the dying, wind up with more or less the same amount of resources as the people that do the living. This helps prevent a slippery slope, sure, but it also has a really annoying Mario-Kart effect where comebacks can happen out of nowhere. Again, fun, but not definitely not satisfying, as you're either robbed from your win or handed a win you didn't earn.

Another point. Some champions are absolutely off the wall insane in dominion. Rammus is an auto-ban, no questions asked. Jax, Akali, Irelia, pretty much all the tanky DPS reign supreme here. And in the spirit of free gold, and 1v1 and 2v2 skirmishes, melee carries like Tryn and Yi thrive as well. In the "real game," these heroes, and others I haven't mentioned, are held back by various things, either poor laning phases, ability to be counterpicked by someone that can outlane them, or being relegated to the jungle, or having to go up against a full team of 5 at one time who can focus them down. None of these elements exist in Dominion. So yeah it's fun to finally get to play some heroes that can't find a place in SR (no im not saying every hero I named above can't find a place on SR, don't be stupid), the 5-man tanky dps squad is REALLY ANNOYING. And you can't out-lane them, or farm more gold than them by securing dragon, you can't outposition them in a teamfight. You just gotta go head first against them, and pretty much get mauled unless you're playing a similar comp. There's no finesse.

TL;DR: There's no finesse in Dominion. The things that separate good players from bad are absent. You run at each other and fight, over and over. This makes the ending of the game more about champion balance than player input, since twitch-gaming skills in this game don't amount to very much. This is a fun, exciting mini-game, but that's about it. It offers no long term satisfaction because it lacks the overall depth and strategy that SR has.

One final note, I've noticed one thing in Dominion that stands out to me as a unique skill. Knowing when to towerdive hardcore, and when to have one guy channel the tower to disable it and to distract the enemy. Indeed you can even trade off channeling the tower for maximum disable time and distraction. It's pretty fun in a premade on vent. Good luck EVER achieving this in a pug. And besides, it might not matter at all, based on the 2-4 champions involved in that fight--it might be altogether one sided.

Edit: I'd appreciate it if you'd stop downvoting me for my opinion, I'd like to keep this post open for discussion. Save downvotes for people with poorly constructed posts that waste space, not stuff you disagree with.

Edit 2: Couple addenda: I'm currently 14-6 in Dominion, so no, I didn't get stomped and rush in here to QQ. In fact, I wrote this post right at the end of a big winning streak. I also really enjoyed the time I spent playing the mode. I had a great time. Just wanted to clear that up. However I stand by my statements, and I really feel like you can take 2 teams, say one team of high rated players and one team of average players, and make them play against each other 100 times in SR, and 100 times in Dominion, and the win/loss spread will be MUCH lower in Dominion.

xMuNcHx 09-23-2011 01:03 PM

its meant to be different....capture a point, defend it, kill ppl, non stop action...dont play it if you dont like it, no point in QQ;ng, i see it being endless fun, i could play it all day, SR is a thing of the past

Zebulone 09-23-2011 01:05 PM

I completely agree.

DotaGodLoL 09-23-2011 01:05 PM

AH somebody finally gets it.

The ultimate Casuals game.

CaliXO 09-23-2011 01:05 PM

haters hate

RiotFpMcgee 09-23-2011 01:05 PM

I couldn't disagree more.

We just don't know the necessary skills yet, and how to apply them most effectively to obtain victory.

Buried 09-23-2011 01:06 PM


Originally Posted by Glřry (Hozzászólás 14850103)
This is a fun, exciting mini-game, but that's about it.

I believe that is the point of Dominion.

You argue "Dominion isn't like Summoner's Rift." The reason for this is that it is not SR; it is an entirely different game mode and was designed to be how it is.

Don't like that style? Then don't play it. Most people seem to enjoy it; sorry you don't, but you can't have everything your way.

Cuz1972 09-23-2011 01:06 PM

I'll wager that team strategies will be far more important in Dominion.

Samenko 09-23-2011 01:06 PM

I agree, but thats why I love it!

SR is League of Legends. It is the epitome of League balance and skill, and it's great.

Dominion is to blow off some steam after a 55 minute loss, or to rampage around with a hero that is underrepresented in SR (see mundo, evelynn). Or, say, you have exactly half an hour to play a game. No need to take the chance in SR anymore.

Think of it as a first person shooter version of League. It has it's place, and it's very fun. As for competitive balance or strategy, there is not much. It's basically Super Smash Brothers.

brb getting sued 09-23-2011 01:06 PM

now you know how dota players feel about lol

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