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ReLaTiviT 09-20-2011 06:11 PM

Why Lee Sin is NOT overpowered
Seeing the community have back and forth talks about the strength of Lee Sin, I have decided to give and explain my personal thoughts.

Now, I'm not some Gold/Platinum Tournament player, and I will not pose as such.

Main Point 1:
Lee Sin is extremely reliant on his Q (skillshot) for both gap closing AND damage

Having 1 skill completely hit or miss a kill is very important in my reasoning of why Lee Sin, is not overpowered. There are few other champions so reliant on 1 ability, the ones I can think of are:
Blitzcrank's Grab
Brand's Sear
Ezreal's aiming

Even in those 3 skills, only Blitzcrank's Grab truly is as game-making as Lee Sin's Q.

Basically, the mechanical skill required to consistently land your Q's is vital to success, skill should be rewarded.

Main Point 2:
Lee Sin must balance burst with his passive to be successful.

This sort of tradeoff requires a high amount of tactical skill;
Should I Q, hit twice or Q again immediately?
I've just E'd, should I hit them, or should I E again for slow?
I'm in a close 1v1, I just W'd, should I W again to get the bonus regen or should I take advantage of the AS?

These types of choices in ability use takes tactical skill.

Main Point 3:
Lee Sin must use his ult strategically, as it is useful for a wide variety of situations.

Dragon's Rage can be used to:
Execute low-HP enemies
Push back dangerous enemies
Save Allies
Push a important target toward your team

In addition to the many uses of his ult, there are also intracacies that give huge reward when properly used:
The line nuke it causes, requires AIM. Was used in tournament by AD carry Lee Sin
The Knock-up line it causes, requires AIM and balance between hitting multiple targets and hitting the optimal knockback.
How far the ult is; knocking back over walls

Lee's Ult has a HUGE amount of decision making and thought involved.

While Lee Sin is strong, the huge amount of Mechanical, Tactical, and Strategic skill required to use him is enormous.
Just the skill needed to properly use his Ult rivals many champion kits.

I believe that this huge prerequisite demands reward, we've all seen the FOTM Lee Sins who do miserably.

Lee Sin is strong, but NOT overpowered due to the skill required to use him.

Pizza Soldier 09-20-2011 06:12 PM

being hard to use is not an excuse to be super strong

see annie compared to ezreal

why853 09-20-2011 06:12 PM

Orianna wasn't OP, then people figured out how to play her, just sayin

LickMyBunghole 09-20-2011 06:13 PM


Originally Posted by Pizza Soldier (Hozzászólás 14714510)
being hard to use is not an excuse to be super strong

see annie compared to ezreal

By your logic Cassiopeia should be nerfed into the ground? No.

ReLaTiviT 09-20-2011 06:13 PM


Originally Posted by Pizza Soldier (Hozzászólás 14714510)
being hard to use is not an excuse to be super strong

see annie compared to ezreal

Then by all means explain why to persuade me.

I feel it seems counter-logical for skill not to equate to strength.

BloodxLust 09-20-2011 06:14 PM

Lee Sin can solo Akali, theoretically. Therefore, es OP.

Ducktaped 09-20-2011 06:14 PM

You can Q to a minion to close gaps just as effectively. Sure you skimp out on damage, but with that free exhaust it'll be easy to make it up.

Pizza Soldier 09-20-2011 06:15 PM

^ at 2

yes, more skill needed should equate to a more powerful champion

however, there is a threshold, and lee sin passes it

RipeCoconut 09-20-2011 06:15 PM

Are you kidding me? Lee sin's q is not hard to hit at all since the speed increase. At least to me.

Kyy909 09-20-2011 06:15 PM

At high skill levels Lee Sin destroys games with his kit.
Sorry to break it to you but OP is if the champ can be played at the max of its capacity and screw games up. Not if joe nobody can't figure out the combo and thus the champ doesn't appear strong.

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