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Krimson 05-25-2010 10:48 PM

Why mana barrier?
 
I just don't see how it actually fits Blitzcrank.
Someone explain it to me.

At lvl 18, Blitzcrank has 900 mana. And it costs 400 mana for a full spell rotation. So if you cast no additional spells whatsoever, not even another power fist, you have 500 mana left. So you blocked 250 pure damage, unreduced by resistances.

People argue, well then stack mana. Would you rather:
a) Spend all your money on a mana item like Frozen heart or Archangels scepter
b) Use that money on a Wargmogs for double the health benefits

Passives are supposed to synergise with their champion. But I just don't see it here. Blitzcrank has terrible mana, terrible mana regenration, and terrible skill cost efficiency. If a Blitzcrank ran into a full fledged battle and used up heaps of his life and mana, leaving a showdown between him and an enemy with both at red life. Blitz has just enough mana for 1 more grab to kill, but look at that, mana barrier drained his last remaining pool of mana. To do what? To block 50 damage. Amazing. 50 whole damage, its a Mundo Madness sale.

What exactly does stacking mana on Blitzcrank DO? Nothing, exactly. Meaning that passive is essentially shield, that blocks 400 pure damage at lvl 18 if you spend your mana like Mundo on crack.

Look at Singed, he has a slightly weaker variant, that works PERMANENTLY. At no cost whatsoever, it doesn't drain 25% of his mana. And stacking mana on Singed actually does something, it lets him run around spreading his crack without stopping.

Now lets say we had a Blitzcrank with Banshees veil, Rod of Ages and Frozen Heart. Awesome we have an extremely strong barrier now! Soooo.... what do we do with the mana while while were not out there trying to die.... I could spam my grabs! With a CD of 18 seconds? Not likely. 18 full seconds. Mundo could throw 6 cleavers at you in that time, eventually catch up, and sell you at his Mundo Madness sale as a chopping board with cleavers included. He misses 1 cleaver? No biggy. You miss 1 grab, be prepared to not do anything constructive for the next 18 seconds. They made it so the grab, no matter how hard you try to catch up, is impossible to be used twice.
Grab - 1 second
Punch - 1 second
Overdrive - 8 seconds if you're that good
Overdrive - Negative 3 seconds
Still a long way to go until that cooldown

Why does this passive even exist.
And don't you dare touch that downvote button without posting an intelligent counterargument.

creakydoors 05-25-2010 10:51 PM

building AP/MP is fun, you should try it. The passive has saved me more than a few times. *cough* karthus *cough*

Krimson 05-25-2010 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by creakydoors (Hozzászólás 1396177)
building AP/MP is fun, you should try it. The passive has saved me more than a few times. *cough* karthus *cough*

That is, im assuming, a Rod of Ages, one of the few things that works well with Blitz. Unfortunately its arguably among the tip top list of really expensive cannabis. And if you wanted to go AP, you'd need explosive damage. By saving up just 500 more you could get a Zhonya's ring, which is the crux of all casters.

And honestly, Blitz's farming abilities are only slightly above Alistair's. Getting 2 RoA is definitely a strain.

drachasor 05-25-2010 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Krimson (Hozzászólás 1396203)
That is, im assuming, a Rod of Ages, one of the few things that works well with Blitz. Unfortunately its arguably among the tip top list of really expensive cannabis. And if you wanted to go AP, you'd need explosive damage. By saving up just 500 more you could get a Zhonya's ring, which is the crux of all casters.

And honestly, Blitz's farming abilities are only slightly above Alistair's. Getting 2 RoA is definitely a strain.

Once he gets his ult farming isn't too bad and it has a really short CD.

Shakra 05-25-2010 11:13 PM

the problem with the shield imho is that if someone has the ability to burst you from lets say 21% to 0% in one go, the shield will not activate

Krimson 05-25-2010 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by drachasor (Hozzászólás 1396224)
Once he gets his ult farming isn't too bad and it has a really short CD.

His ult only starts being able to kill "ranged" creeps at lvl 11, and thats only with additional AP or MPEN. Plus, 40 seconds isn't exactly short. Its shorter than most ults, but sits much higher than normal farming skills, and only effective on creep buildups. You can also only cast it every 3 creep waves due to CD, if you ARE casting it every 3 creep waves then you have a mana deficit and run the risk of not being able to burst it on a champion. Sigh... its an ultimate, an ultimate ****it... and it has problems kills creeps...

05-25-2010 11:28 PM

Sion's Passive is much better.

Krimson 05-25-2010 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Osmodius (Hozzászólás 1396323)
Sion's Passive is much better.

In all honesty? Yeah it is. It synergizes with his shield in that it blocks damage from destroying his shield at no cost. Theres a reason it exists then.

Slythro 05-25-2010 11:44 PM

his passive isn't really all that bad. You'll build a decent bit of mana and hp from items and such.

Whyumai 05-25-2010 11:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Krimson (Hozzászólás 1396166)

People argue, well then stack mana. Would you rather:
a) Spend all your money on a mana item like Frozen heart or Archangels scepter
b) Use that money on a Wargmogs for double the health benefits

1) Banshee's Veil says 'hi'.
2) So, blitz has bad farming yet, you'd spend money on an item that needs good farming .... really?
3) His passive is good if you build right.


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