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Yenn 07-30-2011 11:05 PM

Any chance of fixing Udyr
 
He's in a terrible state.

If the enemy team has an Ashe, he can't do anything. If the enemy team has two slows, he can't do anything. If the enemy team has no slows, he ravages them with ridiculous damage.

Can we maybe reduce his damage and then change his passive to also reduce the potency of snares by 10-15% per stack, so he can actually do something when the enemy team has slows? It's stupid that he can be 100% shut down by a single champion.

SupremeKhan 07-30-2011 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Yenn (Hozzászólás 12247851)
He's in a terrible state.

If the enemy team has an Ashe, he can't do anything. If the enemy team has two slows, he can't do anything. If the enemy team has no slows, he ravages them with ridiculous damage.

Can we maybe reduce his damage and then change his passive to also reduce the potency of snares by 10-15% per stack, so he can actually do something when the enemy team has slows? It's stupid that he can be 100% shut down by a single champion.

Your joking right? Udyr is a beast late game when he is all geared up. There is no killing him and he puts out amazing dmg with just a triforce and tiger stance. Hes pretty balanced as it is.

Yenn 07-30-2011 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by aLcHeMisT97 (Hozzászólás 12247963)
Your joking right? Udyr is a beast late game when he is all geared up. There is no killing him and he puts out amazing dmg with just a triforce and tiger stance. Hes pretty balanced as it is.

Because when he's being kited to death, he does a ton of damage.

I think you missed the point or you're illiterate. Pick one.

Against any decent player, a single Ashe can completely stop Udyr from ever reaching his target.

deadcellplus 07-30-2011 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Yenn (Hozzászólás 12247998)
Because when he's being kited to death, he does a ton of damage.

I think you missed the point or you're illiterate. Pick one.

Against any decent player, a single Ashe can completely stop Udyr from ever reaching his target.

qq? what about every other champ that isnt garen, singed, or irelia? the rest of the champs have to deal with ashe kite

Diamondragan 07-30-2011 11:12 PM

Melee is melee.

Use at your own risk.

Zeetermin 07-30-2011 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Yenn (Hozzászólás 12247998)
Because when he's being kited to death, he does a ton of damage.

I think you missed the point or you're illiterate. Pick one.

Against any decent player, a single Ashe can completely stop Udyr from ever reaching his target.

Wait a second, are you... saying that certain champions COUNTER other champions? It's a good thing that the game isn't about 1v1 and Udyr's mage teammate can blow up that Ashe for him, or his support can help him out, or anyone with any kind of stun could stop Ashe.

BrotherCaine 07-30-2011 11:18 PM

Morg shield on Udyr says 'cannot be disabled' -> wrecks ashe. She complains that she doesn't have anything to stop uber dps and stuns...

Yenn 07-30-2011 11:19 PM

There's a difference between countered and hard countered. Most melee have gap closers or more potent speed boosts. Udyr's speed boost isn't enough for him to ignore slows.

Udyr is hard countered. Most other melee are not. They either have a gap closer, a ranged slow, or a more powerful movement speed boost. Bear Stance lasts longer than most speed boosts, but it doesn't give enough speed for him to catch his target, so it doesn't matter.

Consider a team fight where Udyr runs in and goes for Ashe. He's not going to be able to catch her, she's just going to kite him. Udyr is now in the middle of your tanks. If Ashe's team mates went past Udyr to kill his team mates, Udyr can't reach them to peel. Udyr also can't reach Ashe. The only target Udyr can actually hit is the enemy team's tanks, which is completely useless.

Morgana is a terrible pick and will never be seen in any remotely high ranked game. Synergy with obscure champions isn't an excuse to allow Udyr to be kited so easily. He needs something to counter kiting, in exchange for a damage reduction, because his damage is currently way too high.

Maruset 07-30-2011 11:22 PM

So, leave? Don't fight the Ashe. Run into a bush, the bear out of there. Or, catch Ashe from a bush with stun, kill her. Move on.

Zeetermin 07-30-2011 11:22 PM

Sounds like Udyr messed up by trying to jump the ranged champ THROUGH her tanks. Bearman should come out of the jungle behind them with a good support like Morg while his team entertains them in front.


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