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Hell Riot. I love Diana. Lets talk about her please. Vesh
02-03-2014 05:51 PM
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Vesh

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02-03-2014
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Originally Posted by Maximum Jarvan View Post
Vesh I am a little upset that your first reply back to this thread was kn the VO but at least you came back. Can we please just revert some of the past nerfs and see if that helps her performance rate some without pushing her over the top first? I really don't think we need to a complete kit overhaul or turn her into a fighter. Someone pointed out that right now she has her own niche which is cool and I think we should appreciate that instead of taking it out of the game. She just needs a bit more damage and she will be fine. I am not asking for her shield ratio to go up or anything like that.

I know you think burst is toxic but remember that there is a class that can right click you and just win after two to three seconds which feels way more toxic when your mistake is I could be right clicked.
I still think you're misrepresenting what I've been saying a bit. At least once (and I think more) in this thread I have said I don't think she needs any dramatic changes. I think we all want a healthy and viable Diana who has fun interactive gameplay for both teams, and what I'm suggesting is that increasing the time/effort it takes to kill a target, but giving her more tools to accomplish that task, is a good way to accomplish this. Diana is a champion that should be focused on her autoattacks as well as her spells. She has that awesome moonblade and passive for a reason, and I feel that highlighting that and finding better ways to synergize her autoattacks with her spells is something that (hopefully) most Diana players would find cool.


Hell Riot. I love Diana. Lets talk about her please. Vesh
02-03-2014 01:36 AM
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Vesh

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02-03-2014
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Originally Posted by archonshope View Post
Hi Vesh, this might sound really weird but : could ask the voice actors to think of a real laugh for Diana ?

Like I'm one of those persons who likes to spam laugh in a while. I do it for various reasons : greeting my team mates at the start of the game when you help leach a buff. In dominion to show off your awesome emotes on the platform. If I play solo top and you try to mind game your opponent. most off all for the giggles, it's just for fun and I just like it

There are a few champions that don't have a real laugh like Diana and Darius (2 champs I really do like) but I'm sure their are way more.

when you /l all the say is "ha"

some of my favorite skins to laugh with is hyena Warwick, it's just sooooooooooooo gud (imo still the best laugh in the game for me).

Anyway, yes I understand Diana isn't the person to have a "rich" laughter, she's miss pouty lips that's kinda sad and serious BUT I'm sure you can find a wicked/dangerous laugh that would fit her personality.

"Ha" is just not doing it for me, I'm sorry.

Any chance you could make this happen, talk to the right people?
I think one of her core quirks as a champion is that her sense of humor is a little... off. Personally I love the fact that she lust does the one "hah." It feels appropriate for a champion that doesn't have much to laugh about. (this is personal opinion)


Hell Riot. I love Diana. Lets talk about her please. Vesh
01-31-2014 12:50 PM
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Vesh

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01-31-2014
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Originally Posted by Fiora All Night View Post
@Vesh: A problem I foresee with "fighter Diana"...

There's no AP fighter items for her to build. Full tank means she shouldn't be doing much damage and that just doesn't sound like Diana. Glass cannon but with an offense-scaling shield like Riven's makes her just as hated as Riven whenever she is good.

I guess there's Nashor's / Hourglass then tank...but isn't the AD version of that build (rough Hydra + tank or Sorc Shoes / Guise tank for Elise) sort of seen as a problem right now?

I like the idea of an AP fighter but the current itemization doesn't make me feel like the game can properly support that style of champ right now.
I imagine a more fighter-type Diana to build Zhonyas and Nashor's tooth, jump into a fight, moonfall, de-aggro with zhonyas, and then come out of it and then use her second ult to jump on squishies and hit them with her passive + basic spells until they die all while staying alive with a more defensive-centric shield.

Diana should still want to be a back-line fighter (after all, if you give her the tools to jump to the carry she will do it regardless). She will still want to be on the softer targets. I don't think "tank killer" is what she wants to be or what she should be, I just think there are better ways to accomplice her goals than press QRR and one shot someone.

[SIZE="2"]edit: this is only one possible way she could approach a fight if she had a coordianted team to land follow-up CC. I don't imagine this case is the majority of Diana's teamfights - I was just fantasizing about what could be a cool moment for her.[/SIZE]


Hell Riot. I love Diana. Lets talk about her please. Vesh
01-31-2014 12:39 AM
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Vesh

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01-31-2014
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Vesh can you please give us an ETA on her changes?
No, sorry. I'm going to be experimenting with some stuff but at the end of the day I'd rather we do it right the first time, and sometimes that means more testing and iteration than we can anticipate at the start.

edit: please know that this champion is near and dear to my heart. she's my forum avatar for a reason.


Hell Riot. I love Diana. Lets talk about her please. Vesh
01-30-2014 02:37 PM
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Vesh

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01-30-2014
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Originally Posted by SerThunderkeg View Post
Noooooo, please no. I logged in just to say this. Part of what I really love about Diana is her ability to stick and follow up on people and losing that second dash would absolutely ruin that.

I think there's been a misunderstanding. I was talking about the damage on R being gated by having a moonlight on the target being a possible way to reduce burst damage from Q->R->R.

In no way was I suggesting she should only be able to R to people with moonlight on them.


Hell Riot. I love Diana. Lets talk about her please. Vesh
01-30-2014 01:31 PM
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Vesh

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01-30-2014
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Originally Posted by Spectre Gadget View Post
Maybe something to look into is changing how the moonlight proc works. The reset idea is great, but since you think one of her issues is q-r-r maybe it needs to be taken out? What if the moonlight proc did damage instead?
This is definitely a possible tactic, since it would allow for her Q->R to still do reasonable damage without the abuse case of the second R.


so I "applied" to Riot a while ago... Riot Chezai
01-30-2014 12:18 PM
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Riot Chezai

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01-30-2014
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All I've been able to see under the "writer," section-since Trynd posted about needing new lore writers on Reddit-is for a "Localization Specialist," in Instanbul, Turkey.

After doing the magical ctrl+f search for every job available(I love ctrl+f search, makes life so much easier) I discovered a writer position under marketing, but I'm not entirely sure if that's the position I'm looking for. There was also some E-sports writer thing, but I don't really think of myself as a script writer, I'm more of a "think of joke/gag and crank out a 1500-2300 word short story about it," kind of writer.

Some more questions though.

1. If I wish to apply for multiple positions (that community content thing looks awesome, getting to discover all the amazing League art and music so other people can enjoy it just sounds spectacular) would I submit multiple applications, or just include in my email that I am applying for multiple positions so I'm not bogging down your internal email with multiple emails from the same person (not trying to look desperate or anything)

2. If I wish to apply for a position that does not even exist yet (transcribing professional matches for the deaf/hard of hearing for example) what would be the proper course of action for that?
Hey Shattered Clock,

There's a chance that the particular position you're looking for [lore writer] might not be fully defined from our side yet. If that's the case, you might have to wait until something is posted. However, I do know for a fact that our writers are extremely versatile and can jump from writing lore, scripts, and everything in-between. This being so, if you feel like you're a fit for the Marketing Writer position as defined in the job posting, you might want to try applying for that.

To answer your questions:

1 - You would have to submit a new application for each position you're interested in
2 - This is a better question for our LinkedIn page. From just your description of this particular position, it seems to me that it would add a lot of value to some members of the community. With regards to your particular example, the part where it gets away from the Recruiting side of things is whether or not it's a writing/writer's initiative or eSports or maybe both!


Maps Skin Ideas RiotForScience
01-30-2014 11:27 AM
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winter SR, but with one change. POROS! POROS EVERYWHERE! POROS RIDING DRAGONS! POROS RIDING WOLVES! POROS SLEEPING IN BUSHES! POROS FALLING FROM THE SKY! POROS EXPLODING OUT OF TOWERS BECAUSE TOWERS SHOOT POROS AT YOU!

POWER THIRS-i mean-SUMMONERS RIFT: PORO EDITION!!!
I am not going to make any friends by saying this.. but I really think we need to keep poros just to ARAM. They work in that setting because of how much their cuteness contrasts with the grim darkness of the environment and play. In any other map they would not feel special.


so I "applied" to Riot a while ago... Riot Chezai
01-30-2014 10:29 AM
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Riot Chezai

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Riot Chezai, I am currently going to school to become an attorney (such fun), do you guys need a kick ass lawyer? (;
Hey Almorada,

If not now, I'm sure we'll need some kick ass lawyers in the future. Keep an eye out for a posting on our Careers page!


so I "applied" to Riot a while ago... Riot Chezai
01-30-2014 10:28 AM
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Riot Chezai

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01-30-2014
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Originally Posted by Marth╬╝ View Post
@Riot Chezai

Here's a small list I compiled from some of the stuff you said so far:

Important things for applying to Riot
1) Schooling
-It's recommended to have good education, usually in the form of graduating from university/college.
-Not sure if marks in school are taken into account, or graduate school for that matter.
-The area of study isn't the most important part but you can learn necessary tools for the Riot industry (i.e Problem solving)

2) Experience
-In the form of work experience, doing past jobs that will help benefit you when you work at Riot.
-Also comes in the form of exceptional talent, due to doing something 'spectacular' maybe in the form of building your own game in your free time. This can lead to being able to by-pass the work experience and be taken right after schooling (the dream).

3) Passion
-Should have a love for the game (in this case League of Legends) and always want to see it grow and develop.
-Fit in the position that you want, don't try to squeeze through the cracks of another position just because you may have the skill set in that area to get a job at Riot.

4) Competition
-You are not the only one applying, there's more applications than Riot can handle, if you think you were a star in university then you're probably being measured against thousands of other stars.
-You need to stand out. Good grades only gets you so far.


Is there anything I missed? Also if you haven't said it explicitly; is there anything you'd want to add to this list?
Hey Marth╬╝,

Thanks for compiling this list!

I just want to clarify a few things:

Education
- Area of study is important if you're looking to get into something specific. For example, if you want to be a gameplay engineer, chances are you'll need a solid background in computer science. This background doesn't always come from formal education, but it does help to have something established to guide you.
- 'Good education' is what you make of it. Going to an Ivy League school doesn't guarantee you'll get a good education if you're not willing to put in the effort.

Experience
- You can also get experience while still in school. Internships, work coops, and projects are all really good places to start gaining experience.

Passion
- Love for games* FTFY. It'd be cool if everyone loved League of Legends. The reality of it though is that League isn't the right game for some people. But if you love games [RPG, MMORPG, FPS, RTS, or whatever else is out there] and want to add value to the general gamer population, that's a huge plus.

I'm sure there's a bunch of stuff I missed, but I want people to explore the thread. Lots of good questions. Answers without context isn't always useful

Thanks again for compiling this list!


so I "applied" to Riot a while ago... Riot Chezai
01-30-2014 09:57 AM
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Riot Chezai

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01-30-2014
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I think the point that has been really highlighted is that riot looks less at what you majored in, and more your interests and work/life experiences.

EDIT: Came out a little brash... Sorry about that.
To add to this:

Completing a program shows that you're able to follow something through to the end and are willing to learn/grow. This is extremely valuable in any field you decide to go into as things constantly change [new technologies, workflow management systems, etc.].


so I "applied" to Riot a while ago... Riot Chezai
01-30-2014 09:43 AM
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Riot Chezai

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01-30-2014
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I've been lurking here, and have found it really helpful. Thanks!
Hey Calderweiss,

Thanks for the feedback! Let me know if there's something lacking or if you have any specific questions


Hell Riot. I love Diana. Lets talk about her please. Vesh
01-29-2014 03:21 PM
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Vesh

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01-29-2014
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Originally Posted by Specialist Nips View Post
I personally am fine with making Diana more of a DPS fighter rather than burst Assassin, on the condition that her kit, besides the numbers, be kept almost exactly as it is now. She has one of the most fun high risk, high reward kits in the game and I don't wan't that to change. So here is my idea: Add an armor and MR passive to moonfall, something like 5 Armor and MR per point in the skill. Then lower her ratios and possibly some of her base damages across the board. This makes the full AP assassin itemization significantly less appealing as you will have to be extremely fed to one shot a squishy. It makes a balanced build of both offensive and defensive items more attractive. Something along the lines of Sunfire, Zhonya's, Abyssal, Banshee's, Randuin's, and situationa; tier 2 boots. However if we lower her damages across the board she will desperately need mana cost buffs, so obviously there are alot of numbers that will go into balancing this. Overall however I think this would give her a nice balance of DPS and tankiness while still being high risk and high reward, and removing her ability to instagib.
TL;DR: Lower her damage, lower mana costs, give her an armor and MR passive on Moonfall, making her a DPS bruiser rather than a burst assassin.

I don't think Diana needs any sort of sweeping changes. Outside of QRR, I think her core pattern is really fun. If you've ever played Diana in 3s you'll know how fun it is to skirmish with her when you can't nuke anyone out. There's something really great about a passive proc into your second rotation of spells as they come off cooldown. It's really satisfying.


Hell Riot. I love Diana. Lets talk about her please. Vesh
01-29-2014 02:20 PM
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Vesh

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01-29-2014
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Originally Posted by atresj View Post
This can be dealt with differently, though. While I do realize my idea do not hit the nail on its head it may help balancing Diana a bit.

We all agree that she's not an assassin (as you too pointed out in your post), she's something like a tanky-bursting frontliner. Because of that her shield should scale with something different than her damaging abilites for the reasons mentioned earlier.

Why not just make her shield scale with bonus health and make her passive scale damage with bonus health too? This way we'll encourage Diana's to actually build more tanky while still making her a threat to the enemy team.

The shield scaling with health instead of AP has been suggested a couple of times. I agree with the goal, but it's hard to say if a specific solution will actually work when it's on paper.

edit: removed analogy that wasn't very strong.


Hell Riot. I love Diana. Lets talk about her please. Vesh
01-29-2014 02:05 PM
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Vesh

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01-29-2014
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Originally Posted by SerBlaise View Post
Thank you for giving Diana some attention!

What are your thoughts on what has been suggested in a few other threads; that moonlight remain on other targets after an R-use-consumption?

As far as moving towards a fighter role, In loosing her damage dealing burst potential, would she gain sustain (Life steal or spell vamp)?
I don't think the core Diana fantasy is spamming R on everything she hits with her Q. Plus, this is an unrealistic expectation of her. When given the tools to jump a squishy, Diana isn't going to make 4 other pit stops on the way there, she is going to go kill the target she can kill immediately. By the time that target is dead, it's not really important if other targets have moonlight on them because her Q is on such a short cooldown. Plus if moonlight lasted long enough for this to relevant the enemy team would basically be permanently revealed and there's a ton of power in the fact that it grants sight..


Working at Riot RiotTantram
01-29-2014 12:21 PM
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I'm actually attending DigiPen right now myself, and Riot is one of the companies that I'm planning on applying for an internship next year.

DigiPen is an excellent school and you will learn a lot, whether it be computer science, computer engineering, sound, or art.

RiotTantram, I'm really glad that you're taking time out of your schedule to talk to people about working with Riot. I'd appreciate it if you could also add and talk with me if you don't get too busy.
I'll try to find some time later to add the interested people in game, and talk about careers in engineering. I'm busy working on Team Builder for you guys though, so I'm pretty busy this week:-).

To all the 'why work at Riot haters' in this thread .. Riot is hands down the best place I have ever worked. I have been working as a software engineer for about 9 years. I have worked for large corporations, consulted, and worked on my own. Every day I step into the office is like a dream come true. The people I work with are top notch, there is a level of respect I have never seen in other workplaces, and everyone is focused on creating awesome things for our players.


so I "applied" to Riot a while ago... Riot Chezai
01-29-2014 10:43 AM
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Riot Chezai

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01-29-2014
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Thanks for helping everyone out, Chezai. It really means a lot to us .

It can sure be chaotic when it comes to finding an enjoyable job that complements your passion and craft. Especially in regards to networking and experience (personal/group vs. industry).

I've been looking for a concept art and illustration related position; I applied to the Illustrator position months ago on the Riot Careers page, but hey, it was worth a try! In the meantime, I've been working on a lot of related projects to bolster my portfolio. From working on fan games to creating a ton of sketches and illustrations (both personal and fan art), it's been a ton of fun; and hopefully, it'll eventually lead to an actual job!

Again, thanks for all the help! I'm wondering if I can discuss something that's been puzzling me for the past year or so. It isn't exactly a question that can be answered by the FAQ or LinkedIn, but more of a personal inquiry.
Hey Ze Ocelot,

Feel free to drop a note here. I'll try and get back to you ASAP


so I "applied" to Riot a while ago... Riot Chezai
01-29-2014 10:42 AM
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Riot Chezai

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It's good to have that information!

I'm glad you've made yourself available to help all of us get some more information on the subject! Thanks again.
Not a problem! Always happy to help out


Hell Riot. I love Diana. Lets talk about her please. Vesh
01-29-2014 10:41 AM
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Vesh

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01-29-2014
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This is an incredibly well done post and you've correctly identified a number of key issues with the champion.

"This is because she has a fighter/assassin design and you guys don't like shields on assassins or burst damage on fighters. You have accidentally given her too much durabilty during the situations where she gets a full shield off which makes her feel unfair to play against even though one crit will probably eat her shield assuming she gets it off and doesn't have to use hourglass immediately or get hit with some form of CC. "

This is pretty much the problem. Diana has a role identity crisis right now where shes pretty good at a lot of things but not really the best at any of them. When she's strong, she's good at way too much. Her vacuum on E also accentuates this problem because it puts a huge amount of her power budget into her team's followup ability (Diana when Rumble and J4 were really strong in competitive was really scary despite her average winrate in soloqueue/normals)

Let's talk about both the fighter and the assassin role and what some options and challenges are for each.

Assassins generally have one primary goal: Get in, get a kill, and get out. Diana on live currently can get in, kill someone, and then just generally stays alive due to tankiness. She doesn't really have that many hoops to jump through to do this either. Squishier assassins like Akali have to measure very carefully when they go in and then have other elements of evasiveness (her twilight shroud) that gives her play/counterplay with the enemy that's both positioning and sight based.

Diana doesn't have this however. She just needs to jump a guy and hit all her buttons and if she's ahead enough then she wins. This is especially problematic due to her AP scaling shield (get defensive rewards for building offensive) and you correctly identified that as a core problem. Even without it, if she was powerful enough to just nuke somebody from full but then squishy enough to die for it, Diana post-6 might as well have a Q that reads "on hit, both Diana and her enemy die." Clearly not a very exciting ability for either party involved.

I personally find her prospects as an AP fighter to be much more promising. Taking off some of her crazy burst while giving her tools to do more in fights late game could be a cool approach, especially since she has a cool tuning point in her passive. Increasing base attack speed could definitely allow her to make better use of her 3 hit passive pattern which is generally a little less "bull****" then getting Q -> R -> R'd to death as a carry.

There's other ways to do this as well, and I'm not saying in any way that Diana should be an auto-attack-only champion. Her passive definitely feels pretty good but to add to that, her pattern of making a grand entrance with Q -> R -> E -> Zhonyas is really awesome. After that effect wears off though, we need to ask what Diana should be doing. Should she get to auto burst a carry with another Q->R->R combo, or should she be using a mix of her spells and autoattacks to have a longer time to kill but with more sustained damage?

I personally believe that this approach would be better for Diana overall and would allow her to have healthier tuning points.

This is seriously a great post though. I'd love to have more discussion about her.


so I "applied" to Riot a while ago... Riot Chezai
01-29-2014 10:01 AM
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Riot Chezai

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Thanks for all the great information... This discussion has been one of the more helpful ones I've found!!

On a related note, I'm still a student in college... And the position I've applied for doesn't require a degree. Do you think the fact that I'm only 21 will play a part in whether or not I'm considered? I figure, if I'm doing my dream job, I can always go to school online/in the local area.

Thanks for the help!
Hey Sh11ft,

My opinion only, but obtaining a degree/diploma/certificate should take precedence over jumping into the workforce. Work is work is work. Lots of time for that in the future. Formal education is something I strongly believe in. Not so much the 'I'm going to learn ALLLLL the things', assessments, and exams, but more so the 'I can navigate my way through all these learning challenges' aspect of it. Having a degree doesn't necessarily translate to "I'm going to be getting a job in ________ field because of my credentials". As I've mentioned in previous responses, our Game Design team is comprised of game designers, lawyers, accountants, etc. This in and of itself is a great example of my mantra ---> find your passion.

Also --> dream jobs/companies will change. What you learn and take with you usually sticks [unless you're like me and calculus is still a mystery...].

TL;DR - age is not a hindrance; experience plays a part in things; Riot Chezai approves of education

Hope this helps!


Splash Discussion RiotSilver
01-29-2014 01:45 AM
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Dudes!

Sorry about the delay. I'm going to answer all of the questions I can and that the team is ready to answer. Feel free to continue posting feedback or questions. I will do my best to get back in here as often as I can to update.

----------------------------------------------------

Any word on old splash art for skins? eg: Nidalee and Master Yi.

For context. A while back around the time we reworked the Morgana/Miss Fortune/Tryndamere splashes, the splash team at riot reevaluated what our goals should be with all future splashes. We decided that if we were going to work on creating higher quality splashes, one of the things we would need to do is to start spending more time per splash. What used to be under two weeks (and in some cases, a day or two) has become 4 solid weeks of work per splash and while our team has grown to about 8 artists, this is still very limiting in the resources we have to make splashes. Because of this, we've had to prioritize what we are able to work on at any given time. Right now, our first and foremost priority as a team is to rework all of the base champion splashes that don't meet our standards along with new content. The main reason for this is that the base champions are both IP defining and also what the majority of our players see when they play the game. Once those are done we will prioritize skin reworks for the champions who have been relaunched where the skin splashes no longer accurately represent the in game model (champions like Trundle, Karma, and Nidalee) and after that we will work on the rest of the skin splashes but do not currently have a priority list defined for those. We are working on setting up a pipeline for working very closely with some of our trusted partners to begin working sooner on those relaunched skin splashes. No guarantees at this point, but we are constantly looking for ways to improve our process and get updated splashes for all of your and our favorite champions/skins as soon as possible. We've also been looking very hard to find artists (and passionate gamers) that are capable of hitting both the league of legends style and quality bar so that we can increase the rate at which we can achieve these goals.


Do you guys plan to replace the Chinese art you were putting in the game at one stage?

Yes this is an idea that was brought up a while ago and again very recently. We want to avoid communicating the idea that the splashes from the Tencent client, which we would theoretically substitute, would be a final solution for the current live clients in most other territories. This is because a lot of the older splashes created for the Tencent client no longer match the style of our new target. That being said, as a team we do agree there are probably splashes in our current client where the benefit of replacement might greatly outweigh the difference from our visual style. It's something we will explore.

Question regarding Pantheon's splash. In the Facebook page, as well as during the shifting portraits in the LCS, he uses a unique splash image that looks quite well. The one currently used is the one from the Chinese client years ago. What is the status on that splash, and what reasons were made for not using it in the game?

This splash was made a while back but we felt that it didn't accurately represent pantheon as a champion and what he is able to do in game. I would say however that the quality and personality of the splash overall is higher than the one currently live in game. We may revisit this one as a temporary replacement, since it is already done, until we can get to creating Pantheons actual reworked splash. I will talk to the team about it.

How much time is spent making ONE splash art?

For one person, 3-4 weeks depending on the artist.

How do you determine the position the champion will be in?

Our normal process is to make 3-5 quick black and white sketches exploring different compositions for the splash. We talk to writers, modelers and enthusiasts of the champion to find what we feel is the best version, pose and story for the splash. After we pick a direction we do a few color explorations and start to draw/render the final.

Is a splash art being "created" by one artist, or multiple?

Yes and no. Splashes are worked on primarily by one artist but we do regularly help each other to complete splashes based on each artists strengths and also to accommodate deadlines. On some cases, we have a large number of artists jump on one splash. (Elise's base splash was made in just under 4 days with 5 people working on it simultaneously.)


People point to Dragonblade Riven, the new Lux splash, the new Sivir splash, and others as being "humanly impossible to recreate". While I do see this and recognize the disjointed look that these art pieces give, I personally view these with a more open-mind because I give benefit of the doubt that there must have been some visual basis for these poses. If that is not the case, how did you decide on such postures?

You're right. I'm not sure if the team has previously highlighted our goals for the current target on splash art and if not, then that is probably my fault. We have a bunch of things that we want to aim for when creating new splashes and illustrations. For this question in particular, I'll talk a bit about character poses. The world of league of legends is a fantasy world where things and characters outside the realm of possibilities in the normal world exist. Furthermore, the game and stories are focused primarily on the champions, the super human characters of that world. Our champions have very exaggerated proportions, some can shoot fire from their hands, and some can jump 30 feet in the air. To be able to fully convey the force and impact of these moments, we employ a lot of the same principles used in comic books. We purposefully break anatomy to enhance the gesture of the pose and push characters into extreme perspective. The idea here is to communicate something that is not possible by a normal human. I will take some time in the near future to make a post where I deep dive into what we feel is our splash style. Right now the high level goals are: exaggerated comic book style character proportions and poses, high polish, but still hand painted rendering, limited color palettes with powerful accents, and dramatic lighting.

Are you guys responsible for splash-based animated login screens as well? if so how do you do it?

The illustration/splash team makes the 2d assets, separated out into Photoshop layers that the motion graphics team animates in programs like After Effects.

How do you guys feel about posting videos of the splash art creation process?

Unfortunately, around the same time that we reevaluated our splash style and timeline, we had to stop making process videos. Due to the larger file sizes, lag that's caused by the recording process, and the fact that we regularly collaborate on splashes, we found it unrealistic to continue to record the process. We are exploring new ways of opening the doors to our art process though. I'm not sure when things will be solidified, but its something regularly talked about at Riot HQ.

What other software are you familiar with for working on art? Which is your favorite? Do you use different software for different things?

Splash artists at Riot use Photoshop in tandem with other programs like Maya to create environment/prop models for reference, and a few internal tools. Photoshop is the medium that I've learned how to control the best, but Ive seen people make amazing works of art with MS Paint and Gimp. It all comes down to decision making rather than tools.


Game Modes Thread RiotForScience
01-28-2014 07:14 PM
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01-28-2014
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This one is obvious, WTF Mode. 0 Cooldown, 0 Mana cost. Pretty simple, everything else remains the same. Items still cost money, minions still spawn, all that.
I am not sure if Karthus or Gangplank would be more hilarious in this circumstance. Karthus is obviously stronger... but the perpetual rain of cannonballs would be really funny.


NA East Coast Server! Riot Foro
01-28-2014 03:59 PM
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01-28-2014
4 of 5 Riot Posts

This isn't something we're ignoring - but it's not something that is going to happen overnight either. Can't divulge any plans right now but we're working on improving latency for everyone in North America (and of course, the rest of the world in their own regional enviroments).

PS @ O.P. - light travels at less than two-thirds of the speed of light through glass, and data through copper is even slower. Might want to readjust those calculations a little!


Retro Jinx Skin RiotZeronis
01-27-2014 08:18 PM
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01-27-2014
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I'm in love with this fan art and the idea! The art team had a great response to this idea as well. If there's enough interest in the community, I'm definitely calling dibs on this skin!


Maps Skin Ideas RiotForScience
01-27-2014 01:48 PM
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01-27-2014
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Bandle City vs Bilgewater (Yordles vs Pirates)[/LIST]
Brilliant! When I read this my head just started spinning with potential ideas that could create that conflict. I would love to implement this idea on a map with some really goofy mechanics. Hmmm....


Maps Skin Ideas RiotForScience
01-27-2014 11:42 AM
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01-27-2014
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* different biomes as they appear in League (ex. deserts of Shurima)
** With weather effects like a rainy spring or windy desert (note: im aware of some graphics issues with weather particles)
*** on that tangent differnt seasons of Summoners Rift that differentiates from the holiday versions.
* The Glade
What is "The Glade"?


Maps Skin Ideas RiotForScience
01-27-2014 11:39 AM
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01-27-2014
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Are we being for serious or for play or some combination of both?

Cause i'd love to see a just ridiculous skin for summoner's rift.

Like, you could make a giant cat be baron, and all the towers have champion's heads or some other such nonsense.

My Lead really likes the idea of making "Breakfaster's Rift" where everything is made out of pancakes eggs and bacon. I think if that idea is on the table, then anything is fair game.


RiotPenguin's Fan Art for Fans! RiotPenguin
01-26-2014 10:04 PM
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01-26-2014
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Rageborn Soraka posted!


Maps Skin Ideas RiotForScience
01-25-2014 07:02 PM
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01-25-2014
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This is the first time I've logged on to the forums to post something in about two years I think but its because I really hope I'm heard.

The idea I have is to make map skins for themed events that exist in the LoL lore. The holidays, for example, are a good place to start but I'm thinking something larger. Imagine Noxus and Demacia in a temporary cease fire because of some sort of unifying event.
I hear you, and I really dig your idea!


so I "applied" to Riot a while ago... Riot Chezai
01-24-2014 10:54 AM
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01-24-2014
143 of 151 Riot Posts

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To any rioters, I'm most likely going to be majoring in computer engineering, and am wondering if that major holds any occupations within riot. I think it does, but always best to check. Thanks!
Hey SwipeZ,

1 - www.riotgames.com/careers will have any positions we have available
2 - Considering we're a video game company that works heavily in technology and all that good stuff, I'd go out on a limb here and say that a major in computer science/computer engineering is applicable


so I "applied" to Riot a while ago... Riot Chezai
01-24-2014 10:52 AM
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Riot Chezai

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01-24-2014
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Riot Chezai,

Working within the video game industry has always been a dream of mine, but I'm not sure about how to get my foot in the door.

I was originally intending to apply into Riot's internship program, which I feel I could excel in. However, my extra-heavy college course load caught up with me over the summer, causing me to graduate a year early in August. Although my early graduation saved me some student loans and is a testament to my hard work through college, I'm now ineligible for the internship program and am unsure about how to go about applying to Riot.

I have a BA in Psychology and played varsity Volleyball through college (winning the national championship in 2011). I'm very passionate about video games as a whole, and Riot specifically captures my interests due to how often their design philosophies coincide with my own (for example, the slow yet unstoppable abolition of RNG from League of Legends). I think video games have the potential to be great works of art or perfectly viable competitive sports (or, of course, both) and am ultimately passionate about the advancement of video games as an entertainment medium.

Working at Riot is my dream. However, with the internship opportunity no longer available, I'm at a loss as to what I should do next. Does Riot have any entry-level positions I could apply into, without a large amount of coding knowledge? Is it possible to get my foot in the door in any way, shape or form?

Thank you for your time.

Coleman
Hey ColmanTallman,

I've repeated this many times in this thread over the last few months and it still holds true: Do what you're passionate about. It's not about what you can get into, but more so what you WANT to get into.

Take a look at our careers page and see if there's something you're super passionate about. We definitely have more than just software engineering positions available, but this is something you'll have to dig into. Do your research! Figure out what that particular field is about. This will help you figure out if it's something you really want to do.


so I "applied" to Riot a while ago... Riot Chezai
01-24-2014 10:45 AM
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01-24-2014
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How long does it typically take to hear back after applying?
Hey Mandaari,

This question, and many more, are answered on our LinkedIn page's FAQ. Definitely check that out.


so I "applied" to Riot a while ago... Riot Chezai
01-24-2014 10:43 AM
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Riot Chezai

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01-24-2014
140 of 151 Riot Posts

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Dear Riot Chezzai, do you handle all applications, or just for the LA office?

I'm from Europe and would love to apply for a job in the Dublin office, and was wondering if you go over those aswell, in case I would have any questions when the time comes.


Oh, and would you mind taking a look at this thread? I need your assistance with something unrelated to applications.

http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com....php?t=4188761
Hey Jens DV,

Our team in Dublin reviews the applications going into their office. We support them and help out when necessary, but they do the bulk of the work. If you have any general questions, I can definitely help you with them. You can also get much more information from our LinkedIn page.


so I "applied" to Riot a while ago... Riot Chezai
01-24-2014 10:29 AM
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Riot Chezai

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01-24-2014
139 of 151 Riot Posts

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Originally Posted by Shattered Clock View Post
So I hear you're looking for new lore writers (via Reddit of course, but I digress), where might I apply for that as your official "Career's," page does not have anything listed yet?

I absolutely love writing short stories (and being creative in general) and feel that I would be a fantastic fit for your company. I also love to find problems rather than just waiting for them to pop up.

Would your official Linkedin group be the way to go for that or is there another avenue I should pursue?
Hey Shattered Clock,

If you do a quick search for 'writer' on our Careers page, you'll be able to find a few things. I believe the position of 'Writer' itself might touch on Lore and everything in between.

Best of luck!


Rengar Rework Strikes Back RiotScruffy
01-23-2014 02:47 PM
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RiotScruffy

Game Designer

01-23-2014
14 of 48 Riot Posts

Update time!

First off, the new Rengar kit is really fun and still feels like the Rengar we love. Both Scarizard and I have played some games on him and we are testing him evenly in top and jungle. Here are a few updates from our tests and your feedback:

-The second roar on W ended up feeling kinda clunky and messed up the flow of his play so we are now trying a version where W only does 1 roar but we are lowering the cooldown to let him get ferocity at a faster pace in long fights
-The passive now only decays when out of combat for 10 seconds instead of 10 seconds after an ability has been used. This helps him a lot in the jungle in keeping his stacks up going from camp to camp. It also just makes a bunch more sense as a player.

-Scruffy


Rengar Rework Strikes Back RiotScruffy
01-23-2014 09:23 AM
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RiotScruffy

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01-23-2014
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Dear Riotscruffy,

Why does rengar get priority over Sion?
To clarify, Rengar is not getting priority over Sion right now. I am personally working on Rengar, but there are two (yes two) other designers working on Sion as we speak. Sion is a big deal for us and we really want to give him the upgrade he deserves. Rengar may release before Sion, but that is not something that we know for sure yet.


Rengar Rework Strikes Back Xelnath
01-22-2014 07:34 PM
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01-22-2014
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Yes this is our very first iteration of it as a trinket. We will probably try out giving the option for all 3 trinket active types or even making it a unique active that only Rengar has.
Hey Scruffy, here's a crazy idea I had, that I should probably email you about, but, let's throw caution to the wind.

[Disclaimer, this idea is half-baked and there might be a great reason to not do it]

Trinkets are about vision, right? What if instead of a ward, a scan or a clairvoyance, activating the bonetooth necklace gave you 4 seconds of the heat sensitive detection Rengar gets during his ultimate?


Rengar Rework Strikes Back RiotScruffy
01-22-2014 05:10 PM
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RiotScruffy

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01-22-2014
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Please take a look at this, it's not complete but just tell me if you guys can do something like this. http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com....php?t=4217360
That would be super cool. We haven't planned anything like that yet but I like the idea.


Rengar Rework Strikes Back RiotScruffy
01-22-2014 05:03 PM
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01-22-2014
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The most egregious change right now in my mind is the change to his passive. I actually don't mind the decaying of his stacks of ferocity, it's the loss of the jumping from brush that really just strips away the essence of Rengar.
He is still able to leap out of brush and his ult. The changelist I posted only mentions things that have changed. I agree that if we removed his leap he wouldn't feel like Rengar anymore.


Maps Skin Ideas RiotForScience
01-22-2014 04:51 PM
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01-22-2014
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I think it is time for there to be a place where people can suggest Map skin ideas.

Some of the ideas I have seen posted elsewhere include

an Underwater Version of SR
A Piltover Skin for SR
Winter SR
Harrowing SR
Lava SR

What else could we do with our maps that would make really interesting skins?


Rengar Rework Strikes Back RiotScruffy
01-22-2014 02:23 PM
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01-22-2014
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Originally Posted by Argentan View Post
This might be a bit off-topic, but I really like what you're doing with Bonetooth Necklace by making it a trinket. Is there any possibility of seeing a change like this for Viktor's Hex Core?
This is the first that we are exploring the idea of a unique character trinket. If it works out well for Rengar we may think about if it could also be a good change for Viktor. The two situations are not exactly alike, so there will probably bee some differences in our approach for Viktor. For now no work is happening on Viktor's item but don't count it out for the future.


Rengar Rework Strikes Back RiotScruffy
01-22-2014 02:20 PM
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RiotScruffy

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01-22-2014
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Originally Posted by Eliptical Logic View Post
So I have one question dealing with the Bonetooth Necklace changes below. Since your making it a trinket that provides a ward have you considered any variation which would give players the option between type of ward or scanner sweeper? Just curious considering that needing a scanner could prevent players from picking up this cool reworked item. O yeah the Rengar changes sound pretty cool to me might be even more fun now!
Yes this is our very first iteration of it as a trinket. We will probably try out giving the option for all 3 trinket active types or even making it a unique active that only Rengar has.


Rengar Rework Strikes Back RiotScruffy
01-22-2014 01:30 PM
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01-22-2014
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Could you please explain how the ferocity gain post ult works? Is it a constant +1 ferocity per .75s for 5s after ult with a solid speed boost, that you can just keep pulling from?
Right, its the same as the ferocity gain that current Rengar has, but it starts after he exits stealth. The goal here is that coming out of his ult he will be in super charged fighter mode and be able to hit 5 ferocity stacks multiple times in the fight.


Rengar Rework Strikes Back RiotScruffy
01-22-2014 01:22 PM
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01-22-2014
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Originally Posted by Ophirr View Post
I like the overall direction, but removing ferocity stacks after 10 seconds will hurt early ganks for Jungle Rengar (someone I had over 100 games with in s3). If Rengar can't bring the empowered E to the gank, then his pre lvl 6 ganks aren't going to be strong, which I don't think is an area of Rengar that you want to nerf. Thoughts?
This would be true if we didn't change anything else. The goal here is that Rengar enters fights with 0 Ferocity, quickly builds up and then releases with a powerful finisher. This will give him a longer and more engaging fight and we will add power to him if he needs it to be balanced.


Rengar Rework Strikes Back RiotScruffy
01-22-2014 01:19 PM
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01-22-2014
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When can Rengar leap from his ult? When he's stealthed? When he's fast? Either? Neither?
He can leap from stealth just like current Rengar.


Rengar Rework Strikes Back Scarizard
01-22-2014 01:13 PM
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Scarizard

Live Balance Designer

01-22-2014
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Originally Posted by oDEIIL View Post
What was the big decision on making Bonetooth in the trinket slot?
I can shed some light on this -

Previously, BTN was having issues for a few reasons:

1. Succeeding in lane or in ganks before purchasing BTN made you feel bad about 'wasting' some stacks
2. The actual purchase of BTN was quite poor in immediate stat-gain relative to other items

Even in the first draft of the rework (with it being built out of a Hunter's Machete), it still faced some issues -AND- had to carry the burden of being Stat-efficient, Low/Mid Cost so people would buy it, and the upgrades had to feel useful (not to mention the effective gold value of whatever passives it would have) and BTN's back is starting to get a little heavy.

Add on top of that the amount of sustain that jungle items are meant to have already to compete in the new jungle/season, and that's quite a lot that BTN has to do. So, we could try to make it balanced (and no one buys it, or they do and lose gold-efficiency), or we make it fit into the game as-is (and you buy it 100% of the time for cost-efficient stats, and sometimes get premium bonuses). It was kind of messy.

Players had always been asking for a way in the previous threads/discussions for a way for Rengar to have it at level 1, which was pretty cool - we just didn't have a really good way to do it at the time. Fast-Forward to now and we have Trinkets! A free item you get at level 1 with no cost and no stats associated with it. And so, the decision was made. And after a playtest i can tell you, it feels pretty awesome

(Bonus Round - to all those worried about alternate maps, it's entirely possible for us to include a 'BTN Trinket' but let it keep none of the yellow/red/blue functionality so Knifecat gets to see the world and bring the hunt with him. Think Poro-Snax!)


Rengar Rework Strikes Back Xelnath
01-22-2014 12:54 PM
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Scruffy is the janitor of my heart.

I love these changes!


Rengar Rework Strikes Back RiotScruffy
01-22-2014 12:29 PM
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01-22-2014
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Will the quest thing still happen when you face a Kha'zix?
Yes definitely keeping that.


Rengar Rework Strikes Back RiotScruffy
01-22-2014 12:27 PM
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RiotScruffy

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01-22-2014
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As promised, I'm here with some updates about where the Rengar rework is at and I would also like to get your feedback on the direction and changes.

Overall we hope to accomplish these goals:
-Add counterplay to ranged harass in lane
-Add counterplay overall
-Make ferocity skill choices more compelling
-Improve Bonetooth Necklace in both satisfaction and uniqueness
-Lengthen the time Rengar can fight
-Many small improvements to make all abilities more satisfying and fun

So with those goals in mind, here is our current changelist (numbers aren't final so I'll post those later):

General
-Buffs to base health regen and health per level
-All ferocity effects will deal damage based on champ level instead of the level of the spell

Passive
-Ferocity stacks will reset to 0 if they are not used or gained for 10 seconds

Q
-Cooldown lowered at all ranks
-Ferocity Q now gives the same attack speed buff as base Q
-Ferocity Q now gives 3 ferocity after it is used
-Ferocity Q damage scales on champ level instead of spell level

W
-3 Seconds after the initial roar, Rengar roars again for PBAOE damage and builds another Ferocity
-Ferocity W scales on champion level instead of spell level

E
-E is now a skillshot
-E range increased from 575 to 1000
-Damage increased
-Slow increased
-Ferocity E deals damage based on champion level not spell level
-Ferocity E root duration increased

R
-Stealth duration increased from 7s to 10s
-Rengar no longer gains movement speed while stealthed
-After exiting stealth, Rengar now gains a significant movement speed buff for 5 seconds
-The Ferocity gain begins after Rengar exits stealth instead of when the stealth begins

Bonetooth Necklace
-Now is a trinket!
-Costs 0 gold!
-Has a new active that places a temporary ward
-No longer gives AD or AD per level
-3 Trophy Bonus: Movement speed out of combat and in brush
-6 Trophy Bonus: Additional leap range
-9 Trophy Bonus: Increased Thrill of the Hunt stealth duration
-14 Trophy Bonus: Gain movement speed while stealthed in Thrill of the Hunt


These changes are still WIP so this thread is all about getting your constructive feedback and having a dialogue to help us make Rengar a more fun champ for all players. I'll be coming back to the thread later today to discuss the feedback.

-Scruffy


Undeath, Terror and Acid Hunters: Let's talk Urgot Meddler
01-20-2014 02:38 AM
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Meddler

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01-20-2014
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Short update - done some prototyping, found some things that didn't work and a couple of things that might. Nothing definite enough to be worth talking about yet, just wanted to let you guys know this isn't forgotten about.